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> Or since copyright & the arts tend to make tech discourse stupid

Oh, you can say that again. Software engineers are often amazingly small-minded, and as a software engineer, it took me quite awhile to realize that.

> The other place we could go is law & policy -- really, the idea that training is "fair use" is wrong.

Especially since that idea that "AI" training is fair use is little more than a vigorous assertion by interested parties that hope to profit from it, and rests on self-serving false equivalencies.