[porl]

Since you work there, can you ask that they are more transparent with exactly what you are paying for with a "pro" subscription?

Currently you are apparently paying for:

- Everything in Free - Use Claude 3 Opus and Haiku - Higher usage limits versus Free - Create Projects to work with Claude around a set of docs, code, or files - Priority bandwidth and availability - Early access to new features

But what are the usage limits? Higher than free by how much?

Having an invisible limit on a paid product really rubs me the wrong way. Maybe some rate-limiting after a certain amount would be better than a hard cutoff, but even then I'd like to know what the limit is before I pay, not when I accidentally hit it in the middle of something important.

[timenova]

I ran into this rate limit recently when generating a logo in SVG. It's 45 messages per 5 hours (with some caveats). It's documented here [0].

[0] https://support.anthropic.com/en/articles/8324991-about-clau...

[teruakohatu]

> Your limit gets used up faster with longer conversations, notably with large attachments. For example, if you upload a copy of The Great Gatsby, you may only be able to send 15 messages in that conversation within 5 hours, as each time you send a message, Claude “re-reads” the entire conversation, including any large attachments.

Seems to also be limited by tokens. It’s still quite obscure.

[porl]

Even moreso:

> Please note that these limits may vary depending on Claude’s current capacity.

Fine for the free tier of course, but not great for the paid version.

[aoeusnth1]

With a fixed capacity, someone’s traffic is going to be rejected. I think it makes sense to have a variable rate limit depending on available capacity and demand.

[r2_pilot]

For what it's worth, I haven't run into any limitations while using the API side. Although I also haven't really had to use it so extensively that it would be a problem.

[cma]

ChatGPT says the same about capacity for Pro I think.

[hdhshdhshdjd]

I was literally about to type in my credit card number after seeing the new code editor window UX, but for the life of me I had no idea what I was paying for.

I’ve been paying for GPT since 3.5 debuted and I know what I’m getting - full, unlimited use of the best model. Period.

Anthropic needs to figure out what the hell they are selling.

[saaaaaam]

ChatGPT Plus does NOT give you full unlimited use of the best model. There are still limits.

FWIW I regularly hit my ChatGPT Plus limits, and I think the “dynamic” limiting is regularly in place. I’ve only once hit my Claude Pro limit. I now use Claude more than ChatGPT.

From this page:

https://help.openai.com/en/articles/6950777-what-is-chatgpt-...

As of May 13th 2024, Plus users will be able to send 80 messages every 3 hours on GPT-4o. and 40 messages every 3 hours on GPT-4. The message cap for a user in a ChatGPT Team workspace is approximately twice that of ChatGPT Plus.

Please note that unused messages do not accumulate (i.e. if you wait 6 hours, you will not have 80 messages available to use for the next 3 hours on GPT-4).

In certain cases for Plus users, we may dynamically adjust the message limit based on available capacity in order to prioritize making GPT-4 accessible to the widest number of people.

[eschluntz]

It says 5x the free tier usage, but I agree we could be more explicit about what that is. Just made a ticket :)

[bomewish]

+1. More transparency around usage limit would be very helpful. Message based seems arbitrary if different messages are different lengths. Maybe token based with a bar that tracks how much you’ve used. It would go down with use and up with time and capacity and you’d be able to track and pace usage better than a warning you’re on last ten. Or just let us pay more for more usage! Switch to API! The workbench does not have as nice affordances as the chat.