[obvustroweh]

Are we pretending this conflict started on October 7th or should we go back to the Palestinian Mandate and the 1948 war crimes?

If Western nations are to be sorrowful for Nazi crimes in the 1940a surely the ethnic cleansing of the Arabs is on the table for discussion here…

[31337throwaway]

It started even earlier. I lived in Tel Aviv and witnessed indiscriminate shelling of Israeli cities by Hamas many times, for many years. They specifically target civilians. It's barbaric.

And it's not just Hamas, it's general hatred against Jews which is nurtured in Palestinian people. In their schools, in their books, they teach their children to hate Jews, to kill them. There just isn't anything like that in Israel — Israelis don't want to kill Palestinians, they'd like to peacefully coexist with them, but again and again they are left with no choice.

Israel left Gaza once, by the way, but that only made Hamas stronger. Appeasement doesn't work seemingly with those who don't truly want peace.