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by dacryn 726 days ago
it's because teams is not really free

It's free per user, but it's quite expensive if you start adding meeting rooms, voip, webinar, ...

Zoom+slack are literally cheaper in total, but the startup cost is very visible and teams startup cost is 0.

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Oh it's not even free per user.

The moment the EU opened an investigation [1], they reacted [2] by getting it out of their bundle pack [3], and offering it on the side instead, with the new bundles being marked "[bundle name] EEA NO TEAMS", and teams being priced 5€/user/month.

At least I guess kudos to Microsoft for learning a trick Facebook/Meta/Apple keep ignoring, the moment they say it coming they switched gear because they know the EU won't buy their "good for the user" thing.

> Today we are announcing proactive changes that we hope will start to address these concerns in a meaningful way, even while the European Commission’s investigation continues and we cooperate with it. These changes will impact our Microsoft 365 and Office 365 suites for business customers in the European Economic Area and Switzerland. They are designed to address two concerns that are central to the Commission’s investigation: (1) that customers should be able to choose a business suite without Teams at a price less than those with Teams included; and (2) that we should do more to make interoperability easier between rival communication and collaboration solutions and Microsoft 365 and Office 365 suites.

They also made it extra annoying to switch from a regular package to that one, and somehow when you search on products in your admin (if you're already a customer) you need to know what to type for those no teams bundle to show up.

[1] https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/api/files/docume...

[2] https://blogs.microsoft.com/eupolicy/2023/08/31/european-com...

[3] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/licensing/news/microsoft365-...

It’s also because the people who often mandate Teams are more comfortable with the Microsoft ecosystem.

They run Windows rather than macOS. They think in terms of Active Directory. If it’s not MS then it isn’t “enterprise” in their world view.

And often their core responsibility will be security, governance, vendor management, digital transformation etc. Not the actual operations of the business or the comfort and productivity of staff.
Indeed. That’s an excellent point