[Jensson]

> How can you argue I’m smuggling ”enjoyable” experiences into the argument when you yourself admit play is also Enjoyable

Play is enjoyable, not all enjoyable things are play. You started to add other enjoyable things into the argument about play.

> They’re one and the same thing

No they are not. Play is typically seen as what children do, or playing sports, or playing a game, or a competition. You can read the definitions here, none of them say that stuff like eating hotdogs is play unless it is an eating contest or other kind of game:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/play

[bamboozled]

You’re hung up on language in my opinion and it was the inspiration for my original comment. There is a gradient between playing and just doing something enjoyable. It’s not a binary thing.

I do woodwork because I find it enjoyable but it’s also play time when I’m in my shop.

Language has limits. I bet you there are cultures which don’t distinguish between play and enjoyable activities and then we wouldn’t be sending each other links to merriam Webster.

Btw I don't disagree people learn from play, I just don't think it's the end goal of play.