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by dredmorbius 5128 days ago
You're sending the hash, not the password.

DDG supports SSL: https://www.duckduckgo.com/

If you want coverage, generate a few hundred thousand SHA1 hashes along with your password.

Actually, running a trickle query of random SHA1 hashes from your box might be a fun exercise, along with a trickle query of random word tuples (bonus points for using Markov chains to generate statistically probable tuples).
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daeken 5128 days ago
If you search for 'sha1 foo', that's being sent across the network to DDG's servers. And sure, if you're using SSL then it's not going across in plain text, but it's decrypted and handled on their servers in plain text; it'll probably even end up in logs and/or tracking databases somewhere. You're giving DDG your password.
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dredmorbius 5128 days ago
A hash is not a password.

At worst you're giving the attacker a hash target to try brunting. He still has to brute it, and that takes time. Select your plaintext from a large enough keyspace and it's astronomical time.

I'll need to review their policy more closely, but DDG claim fairly minimal tracking. At best someone might be able to correlate hash lookup with some IP space. That's a long way from handing over passwords. And as I already indicated, you could cradled the queries to make the search space much larger.

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daeken 5128 days ago
No, no, no. You're 100% completely misunderstanding this.

When you search for 'sha1 foo', that query ("sha1 foo") goes up to the server. They know your password is "foo" and that you're attempting to "sha1" it. They don't have a hash, they take that data and perform the hash, then send that down to you.

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dredmorbius 5127 days ago
Boggle.

OK, gotchya.

I guess I'm just too damned used to using systems that, you know, have useful tools installed locally (or can get them there really damned fast). Including SHA1 and MD5 hash generators.

And I was all worked up to tell you how wrong you were still being.

All because I couldn't fathom the possibility let alone reason anyone would need a third-party site to compute their hashes for them.

Silly me, my error.

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