[cyberax]

Public transit is actually pretty clean. The main problem is that they can't refuse to board disruptive passengers, who just trash everything around them. Waymo has cameras inside, so they can fine/ban you if you litter.

The driverless cars can also, well, drive themselves to a cleaning center during the night-time when it won't affect the income generation.

Another interesting possible feature is to redesign cars to be more easily cleanable. Driverless cars can dispense with the central console, steering wheel and pedals, with simple hard plastic covered in detachable covering. Even the seats can be made detachable.

[toast0]

> Public transit is actually pretty clean. The main problem is that they can't refuse to board disruptive passengers, who just trash everything around them.

They can. My local state operated ferry plays an announcement on every ride that if you harass the staff, they will issue a no trespass order banning you from the service for 60 days. Violating the order is criminal tresspassing.

Of course, enforcement isn't easy, and confronting passengers to issue the orders isn't easy, and both can contribute to confusion and delay. It's a little easier to do on a ferry vs a bus because there's more staff.

If you're looking for easy clean surfaces, you could go for police car backseats. Not very comfortable from the looks of them, but very amenable to cleaning.

[cyberax]

> They can. My local state operated ferry plays an announcement on every ride that if you harass the staff, they will issue a no trespass order banning you from the service for 60 days. Violating the order is criminal tresspassing.

I might believe that for ferries, they have personnel for that.

Our local bus drivers were told that fentanyl fumes are not harmful, and that asking the state to do anything about junkies smoking _on_ _the_ _bus_ is systemic racism or something.

[kjkjadksj]

Its not the refusal of certain groups of people that causes the cleanliness issue. Its the fact the bus doesn’t see a custodian until its out of service. The difference in cleanliness between poor and dirty areas and rich and clean areas of a city always comes down to investment in routine custodial service vs any behavioral difference. Rich people litter just as much, more sometimes knowing theres someone to clean it up.

[alex_lav]

Unsure where you’ve lived but in Philadelphia/New York/LA/SF/Seattle/Portland public transit is pretty disgusting, troublesome passengers or not.

[JumpCrisscross]

> in Philadelphia/New York/LA/SF/Seattle/Portland public transit is pretty disgusting

In New York right now. Subway stations are dinghy. But the cars themselves are fine. Hop on the Metro-North or LIRR and they're on par with European cleanliness standards. (If not behavioural.)

[teractiveodular]

Dingy/dinghy is a great one for the Eggcorn Database!

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40720548

[pclmulqdq]

If you think the cars in NYC are clean, look under the seats. LIRR and Metro-North are OK, but also not exactly clean.

European trains are far cleaner.

[kjkjadksj]

In LA county the newer lrt is fine. The old purple and red car trains though are disgusting even when they are clean. Theres usually a constant unpleasant background smell, halfway between stale cigarette and old puke, the cars are usually hot as hell causing everyone to sweat, and sometimes the already quite poor and noisy ventilation is off entirely in the traincar. It also doesn’t help that the aesthetic is beige and brown 90s style, which makes it even more dirty looking than the newer grey and stainless interiors. Most of the stations are overdue for a power washing. Especially down in the tracking thats full of trash and pee. Its not bad enough to be a deal breaker to me even with the occasional tweaker actively smoking some rock, but still its not pleasant.