[alwillis]

It's not a tantrum; it's Apple saying to EU regulators we can't provide these features securely and privately while also while also making them DMA-compliant.

Many Apple Intelligence won't fully rollout until sometime in 2025, so there's time for the EU to decide what they want to do.

[Rinzler89]

> it's Apple saying to EU regulators we can't provide these features securely and privately

They can't, or they won't?

Just because they say they can't do something doesn't mean it's true, especially when that something can negatively affect their profits and market share, so then they weaponize it as "think of your security!".

Considering Apple's insane wealth and technical expertise, it's definitely possible, they just don't want to do it because they want things their way not the government's way, unless that government is China, then everything is suddenly technically possible. Using Chinese cloud providers for iCloud? You got it. CCP backdoors for everything? Consider it done.

So no, it's just a tantrum.

[alwillis]

The EU accounted for more than $24 billion in revenue last quarter, the most revenue outside of North America. Obviously this isn't something Apple takes lightly.

Take a look at Apple's Private Cloud Compute white paper [1] and explain how Apple's supposed to make it DMA-compliant without sacrificing its security and privacy guarantees. Short answer: they can't without essentially starting over.

EU residents will get all of the other iOS 18 features but not Apple Intelligence and a couple of others. The average EU citizen won't even know anything is missing.

Even for those who are paying attention, they're used to getting tech features long after they're available to the rest of the world.

[1]: https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/

[Rinzler89]

>Take a look at Apple's Private Cloud Compute white paper [1] and explain how Apple's supposed to make it DMA-compliant without sacrificing its security and privacy guarantees.

Why should I figure it out for them? That's why they have so many highly skilled well paid engineers on their payroll, to solve stuff like this.

It's not my job to solve their cloud architecture design issues. Why don't they use some of that 24 Billion in EU revenue to engineer it to be EU privacy compliant?

And excuse me for not trusting their own biased interpretation of the reasoning why their clod architecture is incompatible with EU regulations. I have as much trust in that explanation as in a school kid explaining how he can't do his homework because his dog is eating it.

Until I get an unbiased opinion form a independent third party, I'm not buying Apples sob story tantrum.

[alwillis]

> Until I get an unbiased opinion form a independent third party

A core feature of Apple’s Private Cloud Compute platform is the ability for 3rd parties to validate the integrity of the platform.

[Rinzler89]

What would help if it were open source than we can say fi it's true or if it's BS, but until then it's just trust me bro.

[Aloisius]

> The EU accounted for more than $24 billion in revenue last quarter, the most revenue outside of North America. Obviously this isn't something Apple takes lightly.

"Europe", not the EU.

And Apple's "Europe" segment isn't even just Europe. It also includes India, the Middle East and Africa.

[alwillis]

Thanks for the correction.

[archagon]

Why did they not take the DMA into consideration when designing Apple Intelligence?