[titzer]

Worldwide ocean plastic kills vast quantities of marine life. It's an enormous problem that affects entire ecosystems. Malaria is a complete red herring.

"you just have no idea what you’re talking about" is just plain rude. No one comes here for that, so you'll have to stop doing that to avoid being ignored.

[lazide]

So do red tides. Oxygen depletion zones. Population imbalances leading to mass die offs. Huge oil spills. Etc.

[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK220695/#:~:text=Assumi...).]

which we have records of for all of recorded history (and fossil records of from far before that).

I’m not saying plastic is good to be dumping in the ocean. It isn’t! Oil spills are bad! Dumping massive quantities of fertilizer and making oxygen depleted zones worse is bad!

I’m saying claiming that nature is always pretty and naturally balanced without massive die offs and imbalances is just ignorant. That claiming natural hazards don’t exist or aren’t often at least as or more of an hazard is ignorant. And leads to major mistakes on our side, if we think that.

And I wish I could be ignored. Arguing obvious stuff like this is exhausting, but apparently it needs to be done or the BS spreads even further - and causes real problems.

[TeMPOraL]

> I’m saying claiming that nature is always pretty and naturally balanced without massive die offs and imbalances is just ignorant.

More than that. Nature balances itself through the massive die-offs. I'm not sure how people imagine this, that animals sit around round tables and negotiate a balanced use of resources? No, everything tries to murder and/or consume everything else, and the equilibrium of death is what we call "natural balance".

[lazide]

Is it wrong that I really can’t stop thinking how awesome of a band name ‘equilibrium of death’ would be?

[llamaimperative]

Can you point out where anyone said “nature is always pretty and naturally balanced without massive die offs and imbalances?”

Are they in the thread with us now?

[lazide]

You seem a little lost.

This is the thread in response to the comment “You know what's awesome? The biosphere, which recycles 99.9999% of its own matter in a vast, global cooperative, driven by unending clean source of energy that is literally beamed in from space with no waste products. Chucking it all in a hole? Not even close.”

Which is why mass human (and non human) deaths from natural processes related to the biosphere and it’s wastes/chemicals is pertinent.

Because throwing stuff in a hole is sometimes actually a pretty good thing to do compared to many natural processes.

[titzer]

We were talking about recycling. You read my comment and thought it said "humans bad, nature good" and went immediately to "humans good, nature bad, because swamps and malaria and uranium". That was a horrible misreading and long series of non sequiturs, mixed in with a lot of rude remarks. In retrospect, we should have ignored your trolling, which I will now do.

[lazide]

Literally never said that.