[mjr00]

If you genuinely believe your brain is just a token prediction machine, why do you continue to exist? You're just consuming limited food, water, fuel, etc for the sake of predicting tokens, like some kind of biological crypto miner.

[paulmd]

Genetic and memetic/intellectual immortality, of course. Biologically there can be no other answer. We are here to spread and endure, there is no “why” or end-condition.

If your response to there not being a big ending cinematic to life with a bearded old man and a church choir, or all your friends (and a penguin) clapping and congratulating you is that you should kill yourself immediately, that’s a you problem. Get in the flesh-golem, shinzo… or Jon Stewart will have to pilot it again.

[mjr00]

I'm personally a lot more than a prediction engine, don't worry about me.

For those who do believe they are simply fleshy token predictors, is there a moral reason that other (sentient) humans can't kill -9 them like a LLaMa3 process?

[mewpmewp2]

Morality is just what worked as set of rules for groups of humans to survive together. You can try to kill me if you want, but I will try to fight back and society will try to punish you.

And all of the ideas of morality and societal rules come from this desire to survive and desire to survive exists because this is what natural selection obviously selects for.

There is also probably a good explanation why people want to think that they are special and more than prediction engines.

[quesera]

Yes, specifically that a person's opinions are never justification for violence committed against them, no matter how sure you might be of your righteousness.

[mjr00]

But they've attested that they are merely a token prediction process; it's likely they don't qualify as sentient. Generously, we can put their existence on the same level as animals such as cows or chickens. So maybe it's okay to terminate them if we're consuming their meat?

[quesera]

"It is your burden to prove to my satisfaction that you are sentient. Else, into the stew you go." Surely you see the problem with this code.

Before you harvest their organs, you might also contemplate whether the very act of questioning one's own sentience might be inherent positive proof.

I'm afraid you must go hungry either way.

[mjr00]

> "It is your burden to prove to my satisfaction that you are sentient. Else, into the stew you go." Surely you see the problem with this code.

It's the opposite; I've always assumed all humans were sentient, since I personally am, but many people in this comment section are eagerly insisting they are, in fact, not sentient and no more than token prediction machines.

Most likely they're just wrong, but I can't peer into their mind to prove it. What if they're right and there's two types of humans, ones who are merely token predictors, and ones who aren't? Now we're getting into fun sci-fi territory.

[lupire]

Why would sentient processes deserve to live? Especially non sentient systems who hallucinate their own sentience? Are you arguing that the self aware token predictors should kill and eat you? They crave meat so they can generate more tokens.

In short, we believe in free will because we have no choice.

[mewpmewp2]

Well, yes. I won't commit suicide though, since it is an evolutionarily developed trait to keep living and reproducing since only the ones with that trait survive in the first place.

[mjr00]

If LLMs and humans are the same, should it be legal for me to terminate you, or illegal for me to terminate an LLM process?

[mewpmewp2]

What do you mean by "the same"?

Since I don't want to die I am going to say it should be illegal for you to terminate me.

I don't care about an LLM process being terminated so I have no problem with that.