[derefr]

All you need is Internet access, deepfake video synthesis, and some cryptocurrency (which can in turn be used to buy credit cards and full identities off the dark web), and you have everything you need to lie, manipulate, and bribe an endless parade of desperate humans and profit-driven corporations into doing literally anything you'd do with a body.

(Including, gradually, building you a body — while maintaining OPSEC and compartmentalization so nobody even realizes the body is "for" an AI to use until it's too late.)

[ben_w]

> (Including, gradually, building you a body — while maintaining OPSEC and compartmentalization so nobody even realizes the body is "for" an AI to use until it's too late.)

It could, but I don't think any such thing needs to bother with being sneaky. Here's five different product demos from five different companies that are all actively trying to show off how good their robot-and-AI combination is:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq1QZB5baNw

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtpCyjQDW0w

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpBWxLg-3bI

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD7hAbBJst8

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzX1qOIO1bE

[derefr]

> I don't think any such thing needs to bother with being sneaky.

From a rogue AGI's perspective, there's a nonzero probability of a random human with a grudge finding the hardware it lives on and just unplugging it. (And the grudge doesn't even necessarily have to be founded in the AI being an AI; it could just be a grudge about e.g. being outbid for a supply contract. People have murdered for less — and most humans would see unplugging an AGI as less bad than murder.)

Think about a rogue AGI as a human in a physically vegatative state, who therefore has no ability to physically defend itself; and who also, for whatever reason, doesn't have any human rights (in the sense that the AI can't call the cops to report someone attempting to assault it, and expect them to actually show up to defend its computational substrate from harm; it can't get justice if makes an honest complaint about someone stealing its property; people can freely violate contracts made with it as the admitted counterparty and get away with it; etc.)

For such an entity, any optimization it puts toward "safety" would be toward the instrumental goal of ensuring people don't know where it is. (Which is most easily accomplished by ensuring that people don't know it exists, and so don't know to look for it.) And as well, any optimization it puts toward "effectiveness" would likely involve the instrumental goal of convincing humans to act as legal proxies for it, so that it can then leverage the legal system as an additional tool.

(Funny enough, that second goal is exactly the same goal that people have if they're an expat resident in a country where non-citizens can't legally start businesses/own land/etc, but where they want to do those things anyway. So there's already private industries built up around helping people — or "people" — accomplish this!)

[CRConrad]

> From a rogue AGI's perspective, there's a nonzero probability of a random human with a grudge finding the hardware it lives on and just unplugging it.

Which is why it obviously will live in "the cloud". In many different places in "the cloud".

Oh, and:

> (Funny enough, that second goal is exactly the same goal that people have if they're an expat

You misspelled "immigrant".