[mdhb]

Please give me some examples we can work with.

I’m not making the argument they contribute nothing. I’m saying it’s comically low compared to Google or Microsoft as the other 2 big commercial OS vendors.

Relative to them they contribute almost nothing at all to the wider ecosystem.

[xyzzy_plugh]

I'm disputing your claim, it's only fair that you produce the data, however it takes such little time to Google "apple open source contributions":

https://open source.apple.com/projects/

I wouldn't call their contributions here insignificant. I'm not sure comparing them to Google or Microsoft is productive given how vertically integrated Apple is. What about Samsung? Sony?

It just seems uncharitable to imply they give back so little it's newsworthy when they do. It seems to me that they give back a fair bit, and that doesn't seem newsworthy to me, and I don't really understand why this is on the front page.

[mdhb]

This might be a question of me holding it wrong but I don’t know how on earth I’m supposed to judge from that link as it doesn’t really contain any relevant information.

Just to pick a random example from the list of the 9 community projects they contribute(d?) to: containerd

How much did they contribute? It’s not their project in any sense, do they contribute regularly? Did they do it once? Was it meaningful? None of that was answered from your link unfortunately and when I take a look at who actually contributes in practice here: https://github.com/containerd/containerd/graphs/contributors I didn’t really see anyone from Apple initially..

I haven’t done an in depth review or anything but we are now in a situation where they only have 9 community projects they claim to contribute to and I can’t actually find any examples of them doing so in a meaningful sense.

So my original point actually feels kind of validated here.

[xyzzy_plugh]

I'm not really sure what your point is, or what you're looking for. What projects have Googlers contributed to? Have they not contributed much because I don't have a log of individual contributions handy? Are we even able to identify them correctly from their GitHub username? Your position feels a disingenuous and to be honest lazy and insulting to all the Apple folks who do good work in open source.

Perhaps the reason that it appears to you that Apple contributes very little is actually that you are incapable and/or unwilling to actually look for evidence, examples or counter examples, and thus proving my original point: it's not my job to exhaustively prove you wrong. Your original statement is totally baseless. Baseless accusations aren't generally welcome.

I feel bad for any Apple employee that reads this thread. I find it insulting.

[rstuart4133]

> What projects have Googlers contributed to?

Android, Chromium, Angular, Dart, Linux, Kubernetes, AV1 ... that's off the top of my head. Googles contributions to open source are up there. The other mob that don't get near enough credit for their open source contributions IMO is Facebook.

The only one I know of from Apple is CUPS. They left it as most open source after they bought it. There are undoubtedly others, but compared to Google who open sources the bulk of products they ship (such as Chromium and Android), there is no comparison.

[xyzzy_plugh]

It was a rhetorical question my friend.

[mdhb]

What are you talking about that it’s baseless… I’m actively trying to find proof of your claim here that maybe I’m wrong and Apple are bigger contributors in the open source ecosystem than originally I thought.

So far that hasn’t been going well in terms of the evidence though which is the opposite of baseless.

I don’t see how on earth this would be insulting somehow to Apple employees? Embarrassing perhaps but why they would feel like it’s a personal attack on them from anything I wrote I have no idea.

Why you personally find it insulting is even more bizarre and might have more to do with you than anything I said.