[bradleyland]

No. I'm saying that the infrastructure that comes along with Java is more complicated than what many PHP devs are used to (mod_php under Apache).

It's almost like you're intentionally missing the point just so you can talk about Java infrastructure. I'm not here to throw rocks at Java. I'm a big fan of the TorqueBox project, which brings a lot of the power and flexibility enjoyed by Java devs to Ruby. "Complexity" isn't necessarily a bad word. More options means more complex, but sometimes you need those options.