[tsimionescu]

Is that the old FSD stack that, starting with 2018, has been "ready for fully autonomous driving where you can take a nap by this time next year", according to the CEO of the company?

Why are people still hopeful for Tesla FSD when other companies are so, so far ahead already?

[red75prime]

Which ones? Waymo is geolocked. Mercedes' Drive Pilot is a glorified lane assist. Cruise is suspended. Who else?

[tsimionescu]

Geolocked driverless cars are a major advance over FSD. Mercedes "glorified lane assist" is actually safe in well defined parameters, and gives you a well defined amount of time (10s?) to re-engage, with guaranteed fail-safe if you don't. FSD is... A tech demo?

[red75prime]

> gives you a well defined amount of time (10s?) to re-engage, with guaranteed fail-safe if you don't

I don't see it in "DRIVE PILOT Special Terms and Conditions".

> As the fallback-ready user of this system, it is the responsibility of the user of the DRIVE PILOT Subscription Services to remain receptive and take control of the vehicle as soon as DRIVE PILOT function issues a takeover request.

> Conditions may arise at any time that require the user of the DRIVE PILOT Subscription Services, as the fallback-ready user, to respond to a takeover request.

> If a user of the DRIVE PILOT Subscription Services does not respond to the takeover request within a certain period of time, the vehicle’s emergency stop procedure will begin

I think you understand that in real life the situation can go outside "well defined parameters" at any time, so the wider the acceptable set of parameters the better. And Drive Pilot seems to be pretty limited in that.

[throwaway7ahgb]

There is still Comma 3X with openpilot. I use it and it's pretty good.

For the price it's very good.