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by WheatMillington 732 days ago
That's a big old "citation needed". As far as I'm aware that's a crackpot conspiracy theory - just because some fringe lunatic alleges something is enough to honestly decribe that something as "alleged".
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It is not a fringe theory. It is quite mainstream. Boeing is ostensibly "protected from above" due to their military and space contracts, but as we're seeing with Starliner, such contracts are proving to be a liability.
It seems unlikely though. He was found in the hotel car park in a locked car with the keyfob in his pocket, a suicide note and a gun he was shot in the head with. He also had a history of mental illness. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13431401/boeing-whi...
I agree its unlikely, but none of that makes murder less likely / more difficult. Two easy ways to do that: either shoot him and then lock him in the car, or coerce him into suicide via blackmail (threaten to kill his family, threaten to plant child pornography on his property)
The first one isn't easy - drag the body to the car in daylight in the hotel car park? How are you going to lock it with the fob inside? If I was a hitman I'd do something else.

The second - if you assume it's on behalf of Boeing could easily backfire if he went to the press with the threats.

I’m not arguing one way or another, but why is it hard to lock someone in the car with the fob inside? The fob isn’t the only way to lock a car…you would just press the lock button inside the door, but him inside, then shut the door.

I have a normal 2016 car which can do this no problem— maybe it’s impossible with other cars but that would seem very odd to me.

Also, if the litmus for corporate murder is "possible", then that includes essentially any death.

90 year old expiring from cancer? That's what they want you to think!

In fact, we'll never know. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence... or at least, some.

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but neither is it proof.

You don't drag the body, you shoot him while he is in his car. Then you lock the doors, shut them, and leave.
I love a good conspiracy theory, but you need to link to some articles about the video cameras.
I apologize, but although I remember reading it, I can't seem to find the article about the video. I have retracted (edited out) the unsubstantiated claim. It does leave the question open though: "where is the video" (if there was one)? As per news articles, an employee claims to have heard a pop at 9:24 am, but that's all we know.
As I only just recently found out about Boeing’s involvement in making missiles which Israel uses in Gaza, it would unfortunately not surprise me if these particular conspiracy hypothesis are more than just hypothesis.

At least for Boeing, they’ll be benefiting from the fear other potential whistleblowers may have.

But it’s also possible that Boeing don’t know about the deaths because someone else has done it for them. But that’s when we start going down the rabbit hole of suspects from Mossad to the CIA!

Regardless, the big question is: Would they have the stomach to do it if they they could get away with it?

…to ME, that has a very easy answer.

Edit: Why the downvotes? Not rational enough? Or too rational?

Didn't, but some reasons why?

(a) You're starting from just finding out Boeing is a major defense contractor.

(b) Everything after that is your opinions on conspiracy theories, without any content.

a) Defence? Sorry to be nitpicking here, but most of the world would say those missiles are being used for anything but defence.

b) So tell me, would Boeing benefit from whistleblowers being too scared to blow their whistles? If I am wrong to make that assumption, then please tell me why? AND for a business which provides the actual missiles which have wiped out around 15000 children, would that company have any qualms about a threat to their business disappearing?

What I said was logical. And there is no way you will be able to provide anything which is more logical and SANE than what I have said. But, I am OPEN to think about whatever reply you have.

In American English, "defense" is commonly understood as "the military-industrial complex".

Your opinion can be logical, but everyone has their own opinion.

If you want suggestions, I'd recommend taking an approach of "What are you including in your comment that would interest or inform someone, versus the other millions of opinions on the internet?"

Or, 'Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.' https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Also, while we're at it, 'Please don't use uppercase for emphasis. If you want to emphasize a word or phrase, put *asterisks* around it and it will get italicized.'

I’m not from the USA nor am I going to be hoodwinked by American double think of ‘defense’. Batter in though.

Yes, opinions are like arsehole’s… everyone has one. However, for lack of logical opinions like mine in a sub thread relating to thoughts of conspiracy, I personally feel that mine does have the ability to spark a second thought about a situation. If you don’t agree, that’s your opinion.

And thanks for your tips on emphasism - highly interesting and informing.

Coincidences happen, but it sure is a mighty convenient one in this case.
Since you brought up coincidences, a second Boeing whistleblower died not too long after. The first died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound, and the second of pneumonia.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/may/02/sec...

After getting to know sequential incidents like the Marconi murders of the 1980's, which even today are often dismissed as being anything more than coincidence despite a lot of very weird details, I wouldn't entirely dismiss at least the possibility of Boeing being involved in his death.

Large companies are in certain ways like governments, by which different parts of them can be doing entirely different, even divergent things that aren't quite congruent with the benefit of the wider whole. In other words, often one hand doesn't know what the other is doing, even if the activity is batshit crazy and a bad idea, and this is sometimes by design.

Didn’t you hear? Since Hacker News hates Boeing now, all reasoning goes out the window as long as it’s in service of looking smart by dog-piling on the company that the other totally smart HN users also hate.
Think about it this way. If you mentally torture an employee for 30+ years, and lead them to suicide, how are you not culpable?