[beryilma]

How could this be a tmux alternative if it only provides session persistence? I use tmux mostly for layout (tiles, multiple windows, etc.) and not for session persistence necessarily. I don't know if this is why other people also use tmux, but I am not sure if "alternative" is the right word here.

[barnabee]

I use tmux strictly for persistence only, and WezTerm for layout etc. so this is definitely an alternative for me.

This is very interesting to me as it seems to provide persistence with much less cognitive overhead than tmux or even screen sessions, which are enough that I often don't bother and just use SSH. I also find tmux has a noticable latency overhead (on every terminal I've tried) so I wouldn't use it locally anyway.

Suffice to say this is very interesting and I'll check it out.

[andrewla]

There are a bunch of minimalist session persistence solutions, including now shpool. If you want layout, there's a minimalist program called `dvtm` that provides those capabilities.

The suggestion usually is to run dvtm inside of dtach/shpool/abduco/diss for layout, and separating the concerns that way.

[ethanpailes]

It's definitely not a complete alternative, but a surprising number of tmux users are only in it for the session persistence. We did a little internal (criminally underpowered and confounded) survey of some tmux users at google and found that half of them were only really using it for session persistence. I was really surprised by this and thought more people would be using all the slick tiling features that tmux has.

[beryilma]

I think there is a whole group of vim + tmux people out there and their primary use case may not be session persistence, but to construct an IDE like environment, which is also my use case.

[leni536]

Note that vim also has windows, tabs and tiling, along with terminals.

[ethanpailes]

Yeah I was expecting a lot of that, which is why I found that survey data so surprising.

[sullyj3]

It could be a tmux alternative if the session persistence is the only feature of tmux you care about, and you don't like the rest of it.

[stvltvs]

I use it the same way because I use it locally 100% of the time. I would probably care about persistence more if I used tmux on remote machines.