[loceng]

It doesn't appear like you are aware of any of the ranking statistics. You are correct - it's quite untenable, especially with the newly 3 million new immigrants the current government in power has flooded Canada with in the last ~2 years alone; and that doesn't account for the 1.5 million international student visas, nor work visas given - in a relatively small population of now ~40 million.

We spend the most per capita of G7 countries, and rank last of those on quality of care and service metrics.

Try a thought exercise to brainstorm, reverse engineer, why that might be.

[buffington]

Are you saying immigration caused you to spend $800k for US based health care, as a Canadian?

No appeals to thought exercises either. You're the authority on this. Tell HN how this isn't just some convoluted xenophobic rant.

[xs83]

He cant because thats exactly what it is.

The UK NHS system is on its knees because the conservative government has started selling it out from under the people to guess - US companies.

But all the gammons are spouting exactly the same as he is that its the "immigrants" causing it (even though Brexit was going to solve that problem - right?)

[loceng]

Oh hey, you jumped on the "jumping to conclusions" bandwagon too.

Hopefully my question below helps widen your currently racist perspective to understand economics - just copy/pasting my reply to buffington:

Talk about jumping to conclusions.

You jumping to a race lens says more about you than me. Economics and numbers don't care about race. If you have a system with fixed supply and you flood it with demand, what happens genius?

Also, the flood of immigrants started in just the last few years - and I've been dealing with these issues with the Canadian system for 8+ years.

[buffington]

It's fair to say that I introduced the idea of "race" into this conversation. That wasn't a fair assumption for me to make. The only thing it says about me, however, is that I've seen a lot of anti immigration arguments made that were actually just people being racist.

That said, and to be perfectly clear - I'm not trying to find a reason to argue with you. I'm trying to understand what it means to "spend $800k on US health care as a Canadian."

Normally I'd shrug and move on at this point, but frankly, it's seems a bit crazy to suggest that you, a Canadian, spent $800k on US health care because of immigration. You were the one who spent the money. Why not make it crystal clear how and why that happened?

[loceng]

Re: "The only thing it says about me, however, is that I've seen a lot of anti immigration arguments made that were actually just people being racist."

Indeed, causation vs. correlation - and that reactivity and assumptions is a fundamental issue for society, where people get worked up emotionally and then react based on that - and in the worst case scenario that boils into physical violence; of which authoritarians, tyrants, and bad actors will use to weaponize and direct an ideological-angry mob to help meet their own goals.

Re: "... it's seems a bit crazy to suggest that you, a Canadian, spent $800k on US health care because of immigration."

Because I didn't suggest that, another assumption you made; you know what they say about making assumptions - "it makes an 'ass' of 'u' and 'me'. I added the flooding of immigrants as an additional factor/supportive argument to the untenable situation comment - that flood making things far worse, when there was already a major family doctor/general physician shortage here.

But yes - I plan to make it as crystal clear as I can - including by ideally working with and getting comments from the various doctors and associated organizations/institutions; hopefully voluntarily - but perhaps through official complaint processes when possible to require oversight and a conversation.

Over the years I've written a lot but my pain level is still too high - although knock on wood there may only be 2 more major sources that can be addressed, and then my concentration and executive function may then improve enough where I can start to properly compile and organize my writings into a book, to thoroughly outline exactly the path and challenges I encountered.

You'd probably be a great person to proofread my book draft, if it ever gets done, so I can see what assumptions you may make between unrelated-disconnected statements - so I can try to be more clear; I'd even pay you.

[loceng]

Talk about jumping to conclusions.

You jumping to a race lens says more about you than me. Economics and numbers don't care about race. If you have a system with fixed supply and you flood it with demand, what happens genius?

Also, the flood of immigrants started in just the last few years - and I've been dealing with these issues with the Canadian system for 8+ years.