[talldayo]

> but again if these are my two smartphone choices it seems fairly clear to me.

If you really perceive this as a binary choice, I have no idea how you could conclude that iOS is more secure than the Android Open Source Project.

...of course, it's not just a choice between a Google-spyware phone or an Apple-spyware phone. Many people like to reduce it to that so they can rationalize whichever company they pick, but in reality you have many choices including no smartphone at all. On Android's side, the Open Source images have enabled rigorous cross-referencing in OS capability, as well as forks that reduce the already-limited attack surface. Apple has a long track-record of letting zero-days fester in their inbox and failing to communicate promptly to security researchers, even for actively-exploited vulnerabilities.

It's not a "false equivalency" to highlight how Google, Apple and Microsoft all fold over like wet paper when the intelligence agencies come around. It's not a coincidence, either; all of those companies are enrolled in the NSA's domestic warrantless surveillance program.

[whynotminot]

> but in reality you have many choices including no smartphone at all.

Oh come on man. This is why these conversations often aren’t even worth having.

[talldayo]

I'm sorry, hopefully you come back to reality soon. I just went 2 weeks without touching a smartphone, I'm certain you can too.

[whynotminot]

I think you’re the one not living in reality.

But, hey, at least the NSA won’t get ya.

[amplex1337]

If you can live without a cellphone, you're not living in reality? Interesting argument.

I wonder how all those people did it in the 90s and 00s and before the age of smartphones.

[talldayo]

In those dark derelict days, before the brilliant shining light of creation endowed man with the Subway App.

[whynotminot]

Simple, everyone around them also didn’t have cellphones.

Reality is based in a context.

Or are we going to go to even more “get off my lawn” kind of places and talk about how ancient man survived quite fine without the internet?

[Teever]

You know this is a growing trend with teens, right?

Like to eschew smartphones and just use basic feature phones and to interact in real physical settings and not digital ones.

There's a growing and warranted push back to pervasive and addictive digital technology.

[talldayo]

Alright. Take care.