[barbariangrunge]

The main content seems to be this:

> if someone “fears” they may become a victim of a hate crime, they can go before a judge, who may summon the preemptively accused for a sort of precrime trial. If the judge finds “reasonable grounds” for the fear, the defendant must enter into “a recognizance.”

> A recognizance is no mere promise to refrain from committing hate crimes. The judge may put the defendant under house arrest or electronic surveillance and order them to abstain from alcohol and drugs. Refusal to “enter the recognizance” for one year results in 12 months in prison.

[me_me_me]

I used to laugh at right wing media for calling leftist government fascist.

But this is out right scary.

[tomohawk]

Why? The nazis were socialists. Just look at their party platform. Nationalist, but most definitely socialist.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/nazi-party...

   We demand therefore:
   
   11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.
   
   The breaking of the slavery of interest
   
   12. In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.
   
   13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).
   
   14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.
   
   15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.
   
   16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municipal orders.
   
   17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
   
   18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.

[barbariangrunge]

If I didn’t know any better, I’d have assumed that was a Soviet platform. Weird! Thanks for sharing those quotes. You can see how those positions might have been appealing to Germans after wwi, and how the maniac could have used them to manipulate his way to power

[me_me_me]

TIL Nazis were socialists and North Korea is Democratic republic.

[slater]

Don't forget the foremost democratic country, the GDR. It's right in their name, man!

[ashconnor]

Strange that the Nazis purged the KPD/SDP if they were both socialist.

[legitster]

Why? Given how much US socialist groups condemn each other or infight, it doesn't seem Nazis would be unique to purity check competing parties or treat them like traitors.

[ashconnor]

The ideological differences were more than “Judea’s People’s Front”.

[tomohawk]

Read Orwell's account of fighting for one of the socialist groups in Spain, and how one of those groups wiped out the others when they had the chance.

There is plenty of historical accounts of socialists killing socialists.

[ashconnor]

The Spanish civil was between anarchists, fascists and communists.

[me_me_me]

Given that Orwell took part in the war (took a bullet) and everyday life I think I will trust his account not yours :)

[friend_and_foe]

Stalin exiled Trotsky. They were both socialist.

Just because people or groups are enemies doesn't mean they disagree on everything.

[throwanem]

Goldberg is a polemicist, not a historian, and frankly not all that competent even in his acknowledged line. Do better - by not ignoring the Night of the Long Knives, for a start.

[hagbard_c]

That's an appeal to authority and with that not relevant. What about the night of the long knives means the NDSAP was not ideologically aligned with socialism. Parties which make socialism part of their platform run the gamut from social democrat parties in western Europe to the Khmer Rouge and anything in-between. There's plenty of blood on 'socialist' hands. That does not mean there is blood on all socialist hands. The same goes for nationalism.

[throwanem]

> What about the night of the long knives means the NDSAP was not ideologically aligned with socialism

The part where the right-corporatist wing of the party secured its hold on power by executing or imprisoning the leaders of its right-socialist wing.

[rayiner]

I think the closest analogy is theocracies punishing blasphemous speech.

[AnimalMuppet]

No, this would be theocracies punishing the possibility of blasphemous speech.

[legitster]

Yeah, arguably even worst.

Most blasphemy laws were (ostensibly) against public speech. The way these laws are phrased if you say something hurtful in a private chat online you could be charged.