[psychoslave]

I didn’t delve this story, I just remember I saw a five minutes info at some tv channel in France, which was interviewing a guy who refused to for the ride just before the launch as he estimated the safety level he was expecting was not there. I don’t know if other riders were aware of that fact, which should have been communicated to them as a big red alert.

Sad story, really. These people at least died while actively pursuing a dream, though it finished in a dramatic way. This is unlike so many people in Gaza or Ukraine just to mention what pop out of my mind. :’(

[Covzire]

Something I learned from this story is that a whistleblower Rush fired who could have prevented Rush from ever taking passengers on his fated dive instead ended up having to pay a $10,000 settlement and sign an NDA. The legal system utterly failed to protect society from a dangerously reckless man.

[criddell]

> I don’t know if other riders were aware of that fact, which should have been communicated to them as a big red alert.

As I understand it, the passengers were made aware of the risks.

https://www.businessinsider.com/read-oceangate-waiver-titan-...

[coldtea]

"the passengers were made aware of the risks"

From people asking them to sign this who otherwise hand-waived the risks away?

[criddell]

I hadn't heard that before. Did Oceangate lie about or understate the risks?

[coldtea]

It's easy (and legally advised) to have a waiver mentioning all the risks, while also totally downplaying them in your sales pitch and live communications that go on before such a thing gets signed.

[criddell]

Sure, but did they do that? I've seen plenty of reporting about the extensive and blunt waiver but nothing about them misleading passengers or, as you said, hand-waiving the risks away.

[coldtea]

I'm pretty sure they did exactly that, seeing the way the owner talked about their "innovations" and blatant disregard for safety. James Cameron also alluded to that.

[ubermonkey]

I mean, did you read the article?

[coldtea]

No, it's under a paywall.

But I have read several articles on the story and show a dozen or more videos, so.

[ubermonkey]

I was replying to the guy suggesting they were honest about the risks, not you. I think you and I agree.