[walterbell]

There has not yet been a tablet that was commercially competitive with iPad, measured by sales volume/revenue.

Perhaps a future PC OEM 2-in-1 will be successful, based on Qualcomm Oryon/Arm SoC from ex-Apple Nuvia.

> software updates are way longer

There's no "longer" for comparison, when there is no competitor.

Old iPads could continue to work for years, running Linux. Apple could unlock the boot after terminating support.

[tgv]

And what would you do with an ipad running linux? There's no tablet software.

May sound harsh, but the Open Source movement is just not capable of producing enough software to make Linux a viable on the desktop, let alone on the tablet.

[amtamt]

Linux became a thing because computing devices were available for development. I guess if enough Ipad hardware is available without too much black magic, there could be a stack viable based on linux or some other OS (possibly not yet created)

[hagbard_c]

Linux has been 'ready for the desktop' for more than a decade, far longer for those who use it 'professionally' so that old trope can be put to pasture. As to what to run on a Linux tablet there's Plasma Mobile (KDE), Ubuntu Touch, Gnome/Phosh, PostmarketOS with any of the above and more. If you're looking for a single 'Linux tablet interface' you won't find it as there is no single 'Linux $thing' anywhere - you get the choice between many alternatives, some more polished/functional/useable than others.

[nebula8804]

Complete disagree. Even today they are still trying to get simple stuff like smooth mouse support working, not to mention random crashes of the desktop due to proprietary driver bugs. Every single pro Linux person always claims their desktop works great. Well good for you. You ain't convincing the mass market anytime soon because Linux is NOT at their standard yet. Even if the powers that be manage to completely lock down computing and we lose the war against general computation, people will still not use Linux.

[hagbard_c]

It would be more than easy to write the exact same comment about MacOS, iOS, iPadOS, Windows $version and whatnot. From the dreadful state of the MacOS window manager via the randomly disconnecting 'magic' touchpad to the myriad of annoyances in Windows - which used to crash when you looked at it the wrong way but that problem has been mostly fixed - to the lobotomised experience of running iPadOS to the fancily decorated jail which is iOS which has the nasty tendency to crash and burn when iMessage receives something it doesn't like or the iDevice which needed to be held just so to receive a signal, need I continue? In reality:

- mouse support under Linux was a fait accompli on the first device I installed XFree86 on back in 1993, That was back in the time of serial mice with DB9 RS-232 connectors, more than 30 years ago. What you call 'smooth mouse support' is rather vague, if you mean acceleration and the likes that has been around almost as long. Want to use a mouse/trackpad/trackball/trackpoint/whatever with Linux? Plug it in and it will probably work just fine.

- proprietary drivers are the exception to the rule that Linux is free software. One well-known exception here is nVidia which still rides the fence. While this is far less than ideal the drivers they produce are not known for producing 'random crashes'. Random crashes in Linux-land tend to be related to hardware problems and would crash other operating systems as well.

- the 'mass market' does not need convincing to use Linux since they use it daily, mostly without knowing they do so. Most of them don't use it on 'the desktop' (well, those running Chromebooks do but they mostly don't know about it) but there is nothing really keeping them from doing so.

You're living in a fantasy where 'the desktop' is an ivory tower where only the anointed incorporated entities are welcomed. This has never been the case and that will remain true as long as the hardware is (or can be made to be) open. Go ahead and install a distribution, I suspect you'll be surprised just how 'ready' Linux is for the desktop unless you insist on it being a 1-on-1 clone of Windows or MacOS and insist on everything working exactly like those systems. It isn't and it doesn't, things works differently between those systems and between Linux distributions. Choose one which comes closest to your expectations - probably Gnome-based if you're in the Apple world, Mate or KDE-based if you're used to Windows - and give it a try. If you want to do so, that is. If you don't want to try it that's fine as well. In that case I do wonder where your adamant statements about 'smooth mouse support' and 'random crashes' come from though.

[DANmode]

Great and helpful comment.

[skhr0680]

Bluetooth keyboard + mouse. I have an iPad that is eWaste because Apple said it is even though it technically still functions and would work great if Apple would let me use it as a terminal to my main computer

[Gys]

https://support.apple.com/en-us/105004

[throwAGIway]

You caused the ewaste, not Apple. Why did you buy a device that you don't want to use, and why don't you sell or donate it to somebody who wants to use it?

[zrm]

What stops you running Android apps on it?

[walterbell]

iPad+Linux could be a single-function "embedded" device.

  web browser 
  IoT control panel
  video conferencing
  photo frame
  e-reader
  kiosk

[mirzap]

You are not serious, aren't you? You have Raspberry Pi for that purpose. It's like saying Mercedes should allow me to install software on my Mercedes so I can use my $200k car to use it as a tractor.

[walterbell]

Since when does Raspberry Pi ship with a 4:3 Retina display?

Does the Mercedes self-brick after 7 years?

[mirzap]

You don't need a retina display for those things, thus proving my point. It's a waste of resources.

I have an iPad mini 2 and Air 2, which still work after almost a decade of use.

[walterbell]

Customers who paid for a Retina display can apply their hardware to use cases which fall in the simplistic market segmentation between headless SBC and slate.

The utility of a working Retina display need not be limited by unsupported and insecure software when connected to public networks.

[hmottestad]

I have a 12 year old iPad running as a photo frame. Doesn’t get security updates, but then again it stays at home with only a single app running.

One of the things that keeps fascinating me about Apple is how they keep coming out with better and better iPads, even though they don’t seem to have any real competition. Take the new iPad Pro. It’s super thin, got a brand new tandem OLED screen that goes up to 1000 nits and is decent for using outdoors. They even put a new M4 chip in it which has faster single core performance than any desktop chip by Intel or AMD.

[yumraj]

Do you run any specific app for photo frame or just included Photos app?

I have an old iPad, haven’t been using it so this gave me an idea.

[hmottestad]

I use SoloSlides for Google Photos. It's free to try, but I ended up purchasing it to get the randomisation feature. I've created a separate Google account where I add pictures that I want to show on the iPad.

It's fairly stable. Only really run into issues when the internet goes out and then comes back later, sometimes this would make the app stop showing photos.

https://apps.apple.com/no/app/soloslides-for-google-photos/i...

[dacryn]

But old iPads already work for yeeeears.

My work ipad pro is 4 years old, and I can't be bothered to replace it (I can upgrade for free at work, at the 'cost' of having to migrate my apps and data etc...)

My personal ipad mini 3 has been travelling with me until last year, as ebook reader. Sure it was heavily handicapped in the sense that I did not get app updates or any new apps really. But I still have my books and goodreader app, and still had VLC, and until very recently also netflix. That thing was 9 years old and I only retired it because work unlocked my work ipad so I only travel with 1 ipad now.

[theshrike79]

> There has not yet been a tablet that was commercially competitive with iPad, measured by sales volume/revenue.

There is no tablet market, there is an iPad market and "other".