[troad]

> I have been fighting switching to the SaaS version

I felt that way on principle for a long time, but honestly, on reflection, 1P is probably subscription that is most justifiable. I want to outsource online security to people that know what they are doing. I want that to be a viable business for a long time into the future. And I want their funding model to be such that their interests are aligned with those of their paying users (me).

People can get so irrational when it comes to the cost of software. The same person who'd pay hundreds of dollars for a cleaner, or a gym membership, will swear up and down that 70 bucks a year for an online bodyguard is highway robbery.

[bdzr]

> People can get so irrational when it comes to the cost of software. The same person who'd pay hundreds of dollars for a cleaner, or a gym membership, will swear up and down that 70 bucks a year for an online bodyguard is highway robbery.

Often while refusing to work for less than six figures as a SWE, hating on companies for seeking VC funding, dismissing non open-source approaches, and then complaining why there aren't more alternatives :)

[sleepybrett]

I'm not sure a password database is a 'online bodyguard'. I am sure that 1password has been going downhill for a few years now. Getting rid of the ability for me to manage my own vault was the last straw for me. I'm still limping along with 1password7 with a local vault for my 'important/sensitive' passwords but i let keychain manage most of my randomass website passwords. Since I'm primarily in the apple ecosystem this works out for me, I do have some linux in my life too, but since I generally access those linux resources using a mac it's just not much of a problem.

I think this new interface to the password feature in macos will probably put even more of a dent into 1password/bitwarden/etc's consumer business driving them even further into catering to enterprise, it's a pitty, but 'this isn't a product, this a feature'.

[troad]

If you're using a version of 1Password that's several years old and no longer updated, and also splitting your passwords across two solutions, one of which is not accessible on all your devices, I'm not too surprised that you don't enjoy the experience.

The current version of 1Password is pretty much seamless for me across Linux, Mac, and iPhone. It's more seamless than it ever was before, honestly. It works for my technical needs and my parents' non-technical needs alike, and greatly simplifies tech support for the latter. I would sincerely recommend giving it a shot if you haven't already.

> I'm not sure a password database is a 'online bodyguard'.

If that's all 1P is, why not just spin up an SQL db yourself? Because, of course, that's not all 1P is. It's a database, a GUI (for five OSes on two architectures, plus web), extensions to auto-fill (and recognise new passwords, or changed passwords) on a range of ever-changing browsers / websites, a great deal of security hardening for their software and servers, an office full of people that evaluate and consider how to combat emerging threat models, etc. None of this is technically impossible to handle yourself, but that's an extremely inefficient allocation of most people's time.

[sleepybrett]

Keychain is accessible across all my devices, excepting a couple of local linux servers, but since I only access them through terminals from my mac.. shrug

What initially attracted me to 1password was certainly it's browser integration features but after switching to keychain I find the 1password save login/autofill interfaces to be clunky and jarring... and the input/search interface. Those features would be hard for me to write myself, however given that 1password when they killed local vaults also switched to a resource hogging cross platform framework (electron) for it's 'native apps' at the same time.. well two straws that broke my back in that case.

My current 1password vault probably has a dozen entries, I've considered moving them to just an encrypted (doubly encrypted I guess) note inside keychain for break glass emergencies.

[thesuitonym]

I don't think it's so much "paying for an app" as it is the constant rent seeking. It's not that people don't want to pay for 1Password, it's that we're all so damn tired of every company nickel-and-diming us to death. Can't anything just be a one time purchase anymore?

While 1Password probably wouldn't have gotten as popular as it is, if they started as a SaaS, instead of letting everyone think they could just buy it one time and be done, I doubt anyone would be angry about it.

[alex_suzuki]

Not defending any particular company here, but writing software for what is essentially a moving target (OS’s and browser extension APIs) is just simply not “one and done” anymore.