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Yes, there is a big difference between surgeons versus doctors which are good at diagnosing. It's two completely different skills.

I think what is missing is also something in between nurses and doctors, who can take more formal responsibilities than a nurse and offload the doctors.

And there should be a track to directly become a surgeon instead of first become a specialist doctor and then do surgery education after that, those roles should be different. The education for doctors is overall just too long for little benefit.