[8f2ab37a-ed6c]

Any alternatives to Firefox worth exploring where users are the customers and you can pay for the product instead of being sold as one?

[deely3]

I have good expirience with Vivaldi. Yes, Chromium based, but very-very customizable, a bit slower than other browser, again because of customizations, but in general it looks like they believe that user know what he/she is doing.

[paulryanrogers]

An independent browser engine is top reason I use Firefox. Anything based on Webkit/Blink is just reinforcing the monoculture and further locking out alternatives.

[deely3]

I don't know honestly. I don't like what Mozilla is doing with Firefox, and I'm not sure that we should support it.

[paulryanrogers]

Clearly we have different priorities and I've failed to convince you. Which is fine.

Hopefully enough folks do prioritize browser engine diversity, so we aren't stuck with no significant alternative.

[deely3]

> Clearly we have different priorities and I've failed to convince you.

Im not sure that we should support one "not the best" company just because other company definitely worse.

[paulryanrogers]

If you feel that strongly, there are other non-Webkit/Blink options besides Firefox.

[lawn]

Kagi has their own browser called Orion, their whole business model (including search) is that you pay for it instead of you being sold.

Unfortunately, it's iOS only and based on WebKit.

There's definitely an opportunity here, maybe using Servo as the browser engine.

[rpozarickij]

> it's iOS only

It's available on macOS as well: https://kagi.com/orion/#download_sec

[lawn]

Sorry, should've said Apple only.

[infotapeworm]

LibreWolf, Mullvad Browser, Brave, Chromium

[beretguy]

WaterFox