[coldtea]

>is that there is and has been a baseline assumption of patriarchy within the field for centuries

Given 100% of present societies and all examples from recorded history can you blame them for this baseline? That's literally what a baseline is supposed to be!

[roughly]

> all examples from recorded history

This is literally the thing we're talking about. Remember the Minoans?

[PoignardAzur]

I think GP meant "all examples where we have records telling us how their society worked and we're not guessing from pictures".

[bigstrat2003]

> Given 100% of present societies

100% of present societies are not patriarchies. Not even close to 100%.

[coldtea]

You mean states, or some tribes here and there?

Like, you're adding say USA (350M), China (1.4B), France (80M), etc with say, some Amazonian tribe of 5K people (which you don't count as part of the 99.999% patriarchical Brazil)?

I guess in that way it's enough that 200 tribal villages (more than the UN nations iirc) to be matriarchical for the world to be "predominantly matriarchical" or at least 50%-50%.

[xyzzy123]

Agree op is wrong as worded. Sort of depends how you count though. If you count like an anthropologist, tons of non patriarchal examples.

But they don't seem to have scaled in the same way for one reason or another.

If you count by membership the number of people who live in patriarchal societies vs not, I think you would come up with an answer very very close to 100% patriarchal.

[roughly]

There's a little bit of an interesting facet of this, which is that it depends on how you're defining patriarchal societies - if you're looking at what is explicitly encoded into the legal systems, it's hard to argue that, as of today, the US or really most of modern world qualifies, and similarly if you're looking at who holds power, while the gender skew is still towards males, a disinterested observer from the future would not observe a society in which power is either exclusively or as a rule held by men. I'm not sure the legal structures around gender in China or India (if we're talking about percentages of the global population), though, although at least for India one could argue Indira Gandhi might have been the most powerful person in India since the empire.

Culturally is a different question, obviously.