[cetra3]

This looks like a (not even) thinly veiled advertisement for their Convex product: https://www.convex.dev/.

I am interested in knowing who would make a decision to pay for something like this when there are a gamut of open source options available. Like what is the compelling reason to use something like this.

[sujayakar]

note that convex is open source! https://github.com/get-convex/convex-backend

if you don't want to manage your own infrastructure, you can use our hosted product, but otherwise it's totally fine to self-host the open source binary.

(convex cofounder here)

[saliagato]

Speed of development, developer experience, ready to go templates. You should check it out, it’s really cool

[cetra3]

"Really cool" is not compelling enough for me to decide to build a product against something like this. Here is, at a minimum, I would require to even consider:

- Comparisons against other types of stacks, like laravel livewire or phoenix liveview

- Performance metrics/stats/benchmarks whatever. You need to be faster and more robust than the other things out there, or provide some other benefit

- First Class self-hosted on premise install version without dependency on any cloud provider. Kubernetes helm charts or docker compose stacks or whatever

- I do actually like that you have a time-windowed source available license. That is something that alleviates the concern if you go under

- Jepsen or similar analysis, need to make sure whatever consistency guarantees you are advertising hold up

[ianhmacartney]

One public comparison on latency is https://db-latency.vercel.app/

For comparisons, you can check out:

https://stack.convex.dev/convex-vs-firebase https://stack.convex.dev/convex-vs-relational-databases https://www.convex.dev/compare/supabase https://www.convex.dev/compare/mongodb

I'll save you more of a marketing pitch, since you seem to have enough of my pitching Convex in the article:) The bullet points at the bottom of the article should be a pretty concise list - I'd call out the reactivity / subscriptions / caching. To learn how all that magic works, check out https://stack.convex.dev/how-convex-works

[AlchemistCamp]

How does the speed of development of the entire app, not just the backend, compare to Rails + Hotwire or Laravel Livewire?

[ianhmacartney]

Author here- and yes as a disclaimer I work at Convex. As a caveat to that disclaimer, I pivoted my career to work here b/c I genuinely believe it moves the industry forward b/c of the default correctness guarantees, along with other things.

To this question here, some of the things that accelerate full stack development:

1. Automatically updates your UI when DB data changes, not just on a per-document one-off subscription, but based on a whole server function's execution which is deterministic and cached. And regardless if the changes were made in the current browser tab or by a different user elsewhere. Not having to remember all the places to force refresh when a user updates their profile name, e.g., makes it way faster. And not only do the Convex client react hooks fire on data changes, the data they return for a page render is all from the same logical timestamp. You don't have to worry about one part of the UI saying that payment is pending when another says it's been paid.

2. End-to-end types without codegen. When you define a server function, you define the argument validators, which immediately show up on the types for calling it from the frontend. You can iterate on your backend function and frontend types side-by-side without redefining types or codegen in the loop.

3. Automatic retries for database conflicts, as well as retries for mutations fired from the client. B/c mutations are deterministic and side-effect-free (other than transactional changes to the DB and scheduler), the client can keep retrying them and guarantee exactly-once execution. And if your mutation had DB conflicts, it's automatically retried (up to a limit with backoff). So the client can submit operations without worrying about how to recover on conflict.

There's obv. a bunch more in the article about features like text search and other things out of the box, but those maybe are more conveniences on the backend, since maybe a frontend person wouldn't have been setting up Algolia, etc.

[yard2010]

Remix is really cool too! On the paper