[fishtoucher]

>Neurotypical people actually get a kind of high from amphetamines This is intellectual dishonesty to the point of nausea. Amphetamine is very well understood as far as drugs go and affects those with and without ADHD in the same way. Neurotypicals also experience increased focus at therapeutic doses, just ask anyone who's taken it as a study aid, and ADHD-sufferers also experience a high from the flood of dopamine. The most damning evidence for me is the absolutely obsessive relationship many ADHD patients have with their medication. It's immediately obvious and unlike any I know of.

Society (American society in particular) has just decided that the medical benefits of amphetamine outweigh the risks for people with ADHD vice versa for those without.

[crashmat]

Isn't there evidence for neurotypicals only _thinking_ they are focussing better and actually not? Also note that this 'high' you are talking about would likely only apply at higher doses than ADHDers actually get.

[_yb2s]

I think you are generally correct- but just because someone disagrees with you, or hasn't seen the same information you've seen, doesn't mean it is intellectual dishonesty.

There are good reasons why this seems to be true even if it isn't... you take a hyperactive person with ADHD, because they have poor executive control of motor function, and give them a therapeutic dose of a stimulant, suddenly they can control motor function. It appears on the surface to be almost exactly the opposite of giving someone a high stimulant dose. They appear to be opposite responses, but in fact are the same type of response... it's just that the ADHD person is regaining a level of executive control that the non-ADHD person already had anyways.