[mustermannBB]

Again I agree that Emacs is powerful and can be an excellent tool. Never disputed that. But it still, again, to me is clunky. I dislike its defaults, its interface, the ergonomics. Also I have no use for many of its offerings. Could I configure it to something I find tolerable, I could but to me the return is simply not worth it. I simply would use emacs as (sourcecode) editor and for that other offerings provide me with what I want and need with only a fraction of the cost and investment needed and my hands thank me to boot. I tried Doom Emacs (and Prelude and Spacemacs) as well, it just made realize I could just use neovim if I wanted vim bindings. I tried Emacs and gave it an honest go multiple time and simply did not like it or like it enough to invest further into it. The alternatives for me simply do better job for what is important to me. And just like you I have zero Fomo with my decision.

[iLemming]

Ah, yeah, the pace at which Neovim is developing actually makes me more envious than the VSCode world. One can use Fennel to configure it and probably get the REPL running, getting very close to how Emacs operates with Elisp. To be honest, if I didn't already know Emacs and had to choose today between Neovim and Emacs, I'm not completely sure which way I would go. I've been using Vim for a long time, and the advancements in recent years are pretty awesome. My Neovim config is minimal because I know Emacs too well at this point to try scratching the itch and build some sophisticated config, but maybe I should give it a try at some point.

[mustermannBB]

I don't think neovim is as strong as emacs when it comes to extensibility. It also has no self documenting like emacs. If one is committed to the philosophy of using emacs for everything or almost everything neovim would probably leave one wanting. I do agree however it has come a long way. It is good there so many strong options these days. And I will cede one thing about emacs and vim (neovim). They most likely still be around after whatever next big editor replaces vscode.

If you do try neovim again maybe check out (in case you may have not heard of it) https://github.com/Olical/conjure It was (is) pretty nice last time I used it.

[iLemming]

Yes, I know about Conjure as I am a relatively frequent user of Fennel. One of my projects was, at one point, the third or fourth most starred Fennel project on GitHub. Thank you for reminding me about it; I may decide to borrow some ideas from it, as I'm finding more and more cases where Lua is used. The latest revelation is that mpv can be extended with Lua, and I just found out about it. I jokingly call Fennel "the best formatter for Lua code; it makes your Lua look much nicer..." :)

Thank you once again. I tip my hat to you, my fellow vimmer, as another die-hard vimmer who, quite amusingly, happens to be on Emacs.

[mustermannBB]

Thank you, too for the friendly discussion.