[richwater]

Without a vertically integrated environment, it's a race to the bottom.

I cannot recommend any non-Apple laptop these days. They are all total shit for run-of-the-mill consumers.

If you're tech inclined you can probably wipe and reinstall windows on a Lenovo thinkpad and come out _okay_, _maybe_.

[robotnikman]

Framework laptops are great if you need Windows/Linux, even if a bit more expensive

[RajT88]

Dell business machines are great. I have had nothing but great luck with them.

They do not even come with much crapware. Most of what is there is from the base Windows OS.

[acchow]

Macs are still on a different level.

You can even wipe the entire SSD on a mac and STILL you have the ability to reinstall macOS without putting in any disc or USB stick. It's just always there waiting

[adamomada]

This is almost correct. For the new Apple silicon machines you do need a second working Apple computer and cable in order to do a DFU if you completely wipe the SSD.

You can also waltz into an Apple store to have it done if you don’t have access to any other machines.

[ThePowerOfFuet]

Framework.