[hollerith]

Good point. It is better to point out that the last time China descended into chaos was in the 1960s (Cultural Revolution and Great Leap Forward).

In comparison, the last time society was dangerously chaotic for the average American was 1865, and the chaos was less widespread (or at least it was more predictable where the chaos would erupt).

For the average Englishman, unless I am missing something, the last time was 1646 (end of the English Civil War) unless perhaps the Englishman lived on the border with Scotland (and again any informed observer would be able to predict that that was where any chaos would erupt).

[Ar-Curunir]

I don’t know, the World Wars were pretty devastating for much of the West, no?

[galdosdi]

1865? What about 1929? For many average Americans the depression was just as bad, and the hunger killed just as bad whether it was due to a war or an economic cycle. You may be underestimating just how bad it was in the 30s.