[daveguy]

> We are also don't know what ChatGPT 5 will bring, because they say this will do more reasoning than before...

This paper very clearly demonstrates these LLMs are not reasoning in a fundamental way. Token prediction and reasoning are two different tasks. They may be related, but they are not the same. "Just wait for GPT 5, it will be amazing!" is part of the hype.

Please do not assume an LLM is correct in skill or knowledge unless you already know the answer or can verify by other means.

[Mmskynettio]

The problem is that we don't know how we do reasoning.

I calculate stuff by following a formular after i pattern detected a problem i already know.

Plenty of humans are not able to solve those math problems.

If the future of llm / ai becomes a LLM with multi modal and mixture of experts and that solves those reasoning problems, we still don't know if this is a different type of reasoning than what humans do.