[thmsths]

And they did it a year late and over budget (thankfully they had to absorb the loss), despite submitting a much higher bid than their competitor. So it may not be a total failure since they did eventually launch, but I would hardly call this a success.

[nickff]

JWST was about 15 years late and 20x over budget; would you apply a similar criteria, in which case that would probably be "a total failure"?

[thmsths]

No, because I don't have another data point to compare. In the case of Starliner, there was a competitor, with a lower bid, that launched 4 years prior and did not suffer a billion dollar loss to top it all.

[Cacti]

Everyone going up and coming down is a success. Everything else is not a success.

If you want to care about the schedule or cost, you’re welcome to.

[skellera]

When we are paying for it, we should care about those things.