[nabla9]

I'm pro nuclear but I refuse to accept pro-nuclear arguments when they don't match the problem at hand.

When you are talking about more nuclear, you are thinking almost decade from now.

If you get permission for a new nuclear reactor today, it starts to produce energy 6 to 8 years from now. It could be possible 3 to 5 years in the ideal conditions that never happen.

[piva00]

> If you get permission for a new nuclear reactor today, it starts to produce energy 6 to 8 years from now. It could be possible 3 to 5 years in the ideal conditions that never happen.

Starting producing energy is one thing, on top of that is the breaking point where it becomes economically viable to pay off the construction costs of those plants. For that we are looking into a 20-30 years timeframe when the plant starts to generate money back.

As much as I like the idea of nuclear power it just becomes less and less economically viable when renewables get cheaper. The only ways to build and run nuclear plants is through government funding or by keeping energy prices at a higher level to pay back the construction costs.

On top of it all you also depend on having trustworthy and stable governments to keep those plants operating safely for the 50-70 years period they should be running.

[nabla9]

Renewables and nuclear can't replace each other completely.

Let's talk about

nuclear vs natural gas + renewables

nuclear vs. energy storage + renewables.

Current increase om capacity comes from solar + wind + natural gas combination.

[piva00]

While they can't provide a baseload I agree, renewables can't provide the same steady output that nuclear can. I think it's sensible to consider solutions to this problem (like we see with many different ways being researched on how to store excess production) rather than believing nuclear still has a chance in the current landscape.

Like I mentioned, I do like the idea of nuclear power but it has many issues with construction costs, source of materials, safety, etc. aspects of it which mean many countries would be excluded from running reactors.

Technology for transforming/storing excess renewables' energy which in turn can then provide a baseload output are much more accessible to the rest of the world, and I believe it has a potentially much bigger impact fighting the climate crisis than nuclear can provide us in the next 20-30 years.

[vargr616]

if only the shareholders could wait 5 years and plan ahead for the long road, instead of demanding +50% ROI in the next quarter

[nabla9]

They have planned ahead. There is enough capacity to run the data centers. Electricity is just more expensive.

[postepowanieadm]

Same goes with solar/wind - batteries are not there yet and we don't know when they will be here. Nuclear is predictable.

[nabla9]

Solar/wind/natural gas combination is there.

That's what is happening. People are jumping into conclusions that there is not enough energy to run those data centers. There absolutely is. It has been planned.

[himinlomax]

Natural gas is a carbon source. It's a fake solution.

[nabla9]

It's the only solution to augment renewables until there is better storage technology.

[himinlomax]

It's a fake "solution" that doesn't solve the problem.

Nuclear is a real solution that solves the problem. It's the only solution that does with current technology.