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I agree Adonis doesn’t feel like js, but guess what, applying rails conventions will lead you to the same problem, it won’t feel as js either.

Also, react has nothing to do with all of this. This is about backend.

Laravel is a great example of this kind of framework, and with inertia you can use react in a sensible way.

And also, htmx is no way the solution to anything g of this. It’s only useful for the minimal examples, you can build anything slightly advanced with it without everything becoming a mess.

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My thought was that there is too much focus on react when it comes to js development, and catering for interactivity via react adds complexity that often forces the react frameworks adopt. React frameworks are client state first and don’t have mechanisms to keep server state in sync without requiring loads of plumbing. I feel phoenix liveview solves this somewhat elegantly.

Mind elaborating on why react has nothing to do with this?

I appreciate your comment on htmx - I have yet to work with it on a larger scale.