[tflol]

> now they're just hosing your consumer router

There is a dramatic difference in effort between ( owning a device ) and ( owning a router, configuring network access to the device, then owning the device ).

Also psychologically: If I was a rock hard piece of shit and I knew I was at the doorstep of a personal device, I would treat it much more aggressively than a router. I suppose maybe that's just me and not the kids and enemy states.

[rainonmoon]

I mean, I don't know why you would when the router potentially gives you a foothold across many devices instead of one and the router is likely running multiple services. Yes, that is just you; the threat model I'm describing is widespread automated attacks, not individual or particularly motivated.

[tflol]

You're saying there's less incentive for widespread automated attacks on personal devices?

edit: Changing the subject to insulting me is a bad way to conclude. You're creating an illusion the debate is concluded in your favor instead of responding to points. I don't think any of my points had a sound argument against them.

[rainonmoon]

No brother, I'm not, but I'm starting to feel that what I am saying might be beyond the likelihood of comprehension. Look, I'm a big fan of NAT. Huge. It's not a security control. Neither is v6. It sure is cool though.