[jonathankoren]

I'm sure your anecdotal experience is true for you, but funding is not linked to clearance rates. Counter to copaganda, police are worse at solving cases compared to 30 years ago, even as crime rates have fallen dramatically and funding has increased.

If you think preventing and solving crimes, then American police are objectively bad at their jobs. If you think of police as revenue generators, then they're good at it. Because the police spend all their time on things like traffic citations. Even the police unions occasionally say the quite part out loud, like when the NYPD union famously said that they would not arrest anyone "unless absolutely necessary". Unsurprisingly to people that have looked into policing, crime doesn't increase during police work slowdowns.

[Hnrobert42]

It’s sorta hard to trust that your data is unbiased fact when you use the term “copaganda.”

[jonathankoren]

I mean, if you weren't smugly comfortable in your biases, you could always just do a search, say for "FBI crime rate by year", or "police clearance rates by year", or "police funding per year", but I guess not.

[j16sdiz]

It is different on fed level, state level and City level.

[jonathankoren]

Not really

[fragmede]

that has nothing to do with the fact that using that word causes people to stop listening to you

[paulmd]

weee wooo weee wooo here comes the tone police!

(if only real cops could get that kind of response time/clearance rate!)

like that’s just a shitty argument yourself, you lost the argument on the facts so you’re complaining about how the presentation. Lazy argumentation, it’s a way to attack the messenger(‘s presentation) instead of addressing the argument.

It’s the highbrow version of “minor spelling mistake!!!!”.

[hluska]

I just asked this question and I’ll ask it again. Why be so combative? You wrote the sound of a siren - that’s overly combative.

Fucking chill. This is a website, few of us are politicians and our opinions barely matter.

[paulmd]

we are talking about someone getting mad because they didn't like the word "copaganda" getting used in a discussion lol, how is this anything other than a total distraction from the point?

sealioning is right, bringing it up in the first place was a distraction, by design. if you don't want to discuss copaganda, get mad about the fact someone used the word copaganda rather than contradicting its existence or usage.

that's why tone arguments are a logical fallacy - they're an ad-hominem, you're attacking the speaker rather than the argument. it's far too easy to let this all slide into "well I would have agreed with you but now you've gone and offended me with your tone!!!" as a way to slam the door on a discussion you're losing.

as difficult as it is, the mature thing is to simply accept that this is a way that people legitimately feel about cops and their marketing/relations with the public, and that they feel there's very good evidence and backing for it. It's unfortunate that you feel offended, but you can't derail the discussion because of that.

(moreover, the idea that we have to inherently respect the cops as social guardians and blah blah is very much a neoliberal perspective to begin with. minority communities tend not to have such rose-colored perspectives on the issue etc. People who have their property stolen at gunpoint at the roadside by cops tend to have a different perspective too. This is not some universal norm that is violated here.)

[jonathankoren]

Sea lion.

[hluska]

Are you saying that police should arrest people when it’s not necessary? How do you figure that?

[DFHippie]

It's the cops who said that. I assume that's why the phrase is in quotes. Apparently they themselves believed they performed some arrests that weren't "absolutely necessary". They said this as a threat to influence negotiations. You should take this question up with them.

[Spooky23]

NYPD is an MBA style police agency. The management wants to hit their KPIs.

If the bosses want jaywalking tickets, they swarm like bees. Arresting someone for robbery fucks up the metric for the local commander.

It’s like any big dumb company. The officers are like salesmen, and they are trained to do whatever bullshit the boss wants.

[hluska]

Why be combative? I was curious about a statement and wanted to learn.

But seriously, why he combative? People used to be able to ask questions without being told to take it up with the NYPD. The entire world wants to fight and frankly, it’s embarrassing.