[yimmothathird]

I wish, market is too dangerous right now though. I was out of work for significantly longer than I should have been because my one dealbreaker for the longest time was remote.

Current job started out 3/2 hybrid but full RTO is being mandated by the end of the month. Not looking forward to it.

[snailb]

I feel your pain. The market is bleak at the moment.

I checked linkedin a few times and it seems remote jobs are decreasing for some reason.

[dangus]

I definitely understand it as a supply and demand thing. If supply for labor is high and demand for candidates is low, then obviously employers don’t have to be quite as enticing to candidates. The most attractive jobs are remote jobs so they’re the first to be filled.

What I don’t understand is why companies don’t seem to accept the obvious cost savings involved with remote work. I just can’t imagine that even hypothetically losing 10-20% productivity is worth paying office rent for. I thought the work from home studies were pretty conclusive that productivity wasn’t lost at all!

[lWaterboardCats]

Tin foil hat says commercial real estate overlords need warm bodies in their empty buildings to provide foot traffic for lease signs go down.

The weird thing is, I’m sure many people here would likely take a pay cut over RTO.

If only we used this monumental opportunity to rethink how we need to collaborate and design cities to support or even embrace remote work models.

Instead, back to concrete jungles and mind numbingly sitting in traffic or being herded from one stop to the next.

[rtpg]

Less tin foil hat reasoning that I've found: managers are lonely. CEOs are lonely. Especially when you have the space that is empty it's kinda depressing.

The tricky thing is if you have the office you gotta have space for a lot of people, even if the "ideal" amount might be a smaller space that would just feel fuller in hybrid environments.

In a recent Kojima Productions video, Kojima said something like "yeah we have the new office... please come in everyone!" It's an uphill battle, accentuated by people putting offices in places where you are doing close to office XOR low rent.

[dangus]

I definitely think there’s merit to the conspiracy theory that people who own shares in companies are the same general groups of people as those who own commercial real estate interests.

Or there’s the tried and true explanation that it’s just micromanagers who want play power games with their employees.

The senior leadership team member can’t really conceptualize a world where an individual doesn’t sacrifice their entire personal life for work, so hearing that an employee has time to do laundry makes them think that it’s anti-productivity to be home.

[brevhtff]

> Or there’s the tried and true explanation that it’s just micromanagers who want play power games with their employees.

Everyone thinks they are the good employee that doesn’t need to be managed thank you very much. Yet every manager has seen employees that produce very little if they aren’t constantly managed.

And every manager thinks they’re a good manager, too!

[dangus]

And every employee has seen companies that have no idea how to measure or foster high performance.

How many developers work in a companies where achieving a S.M.A.R.T. goal related to their output will result in a defined positive outcome (bonus, promotion, salary increase, title/level increase, stock grant)?

I’ve never seen a software development team be given an incentive like “deliver XYZ feature with less than N defects by datetime to receive a performance bonus of $10,000/1,000 shares.”

I have worked at a grand total of zero companies where anything close to this was the case. For me, every company has made equity into a joke, performance reviews into “you will always be a 3 unless you turn water into wine,” and significant raises regarding high performance merely match inflation.

I thought that we were beyond the illusion that micromanaging works. All it does is produce employees who create illusions of productivity beyond a minimum standard. These illusions will exist whether they’re in an office or not.

It’s as simple as making sure your boss likes you. There’s really no output difference between the mouse jiggler working at home and the salaryman staying late but pretending to work, taking care to leave after the boss leaves.

Meanwhile, the sales team has a grand total of zero people who are slacking off because their salary is on a commission. Every ounce of extra work is potential to earn more money. But for the engineering team the company has a perpetual surprised pikachu face when they find out that employees are just doing the bare minimum to stay off the firing radar despite having no tangible incentive to do otherwise.

[dkasper]

Real estate companies are generally not wielding any power over tech companies… tech companies have all the leverage in any office leasing deals right now. I’m sure there are exceptions though.

[CamperBob2]

It may not be that simple. A lot of city and state tax revenue comes from commercial real estate...

[Simon_ORourke]

About a month back a manager on my team was hiring for a senior dev role - she was talking to HR about the job spec, and HR recommended only advertizing the role as a junior dev "since senior/principal devs will invariably apply". Bleak is the word!

[em-bee]

huh? what would be the benefit of that strategy? being able to low ball the offers because a senior dev applying for a junior position must be desperate?

[Simon_ORourke]

When I was told I immediately presumed that it's some low balling strategy alright.

"Well I appreciate you were paid X as a senior dev in your last role, but the compensation range for this more JUNIOR role is Y".

[hollerith]

So the company instituting the RTO mandate feels altruistic towards the companies its engineers might jump to next?