[monkaiju]

Wild to me how someone can open with something as ridiculous as recognising "the non-negotiable need of humanity for ever-increasing amounts of energy" and then be taken seriously. Its not only negotiable, its a requirement that we do not maintain such consumptive expansion.

[orson2077]

Hey, I'd love to live like the elves in Lord of the Rings, but it's not gonna happen. The first world offloads its manufacturing burden to the third world, then criticises them for polluting the atmosphere with fossil fuels. Also, the majority of the world do not enjoy the standard of living we do in the first world, and they will want to. Like it or not, energy demand will increase. It is non-negotiable unless you think there'll be some great die-off.