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by kennethwolters 743 days ago
I anticipated this type of reply that states that for HOAs there is not enough freedom of movement and diversity of "HOA flavours" to reap the benefits of this localist/federalist system. And you are right. The situation seems dire and the question is how do we solve this problem?

Do we do so by smashing HOAs (and giving the responsibilities to someone else)? I believe this is the wrong approach because it will destroy any potential for this localist (and thus inherently good, imo) system to heal. You're basically passing the baton onto another entity that might do a better job off the start but will inevitably fail because it is even less capable of evolving.

I'd rather try to discourage rigidity/complacency and incentivise innovation in the HOA-space which is much more complex to implement but better than smashing HOAs.

Regarding your point about "not buying the whole argument": I think it would be foolish to organise a military or pandemic-prevention-force on a municipal level. The levels need to exist and some higher levels have responsibilities that the lower levels don't have. I absolutely believe that this is good.

In conclusion, somehow communities of a certain region need to be organised if they want to be organised, especially when the region is densely populated. I'd rather organise these communities through self-emergent associations than top-down mandated government. And yes, the self-emergent association-type HOA is broken. I'd rather fix it than replace it with a inherently worse alternative.

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sorry for not expressing myself clearly. by not buying the argument i was referring to the idea that we can be more or less dependent on levels of government. i believe we are always 100% dependent on all levels. but in some ways we are always less dependent on local levels of government because we can move. but i have the impression we are applying different definitions to terms here, especially to what it means to be dependent.

for the most part i actually agree with you. i too favor a localist/federalist approach. and where i said you can't escape the levels, i might have added: nor should you want to. because as you say, the levels need to exist.

one of the problems i see in the US is that while the system is doing relatively well at the federalist approach, not enough is done to protect the weaker individuals from those with power over them. especially at the local level.

so while i agree that experimentation is good, certain basic rights need to be safeguarded.

another thing is fixing vs replacing HOAs. again that comes down to what fixing or replacing mean.

it is important to me that organizations that govern my life in a community are actually considered government.

an HOA currently only involves homeowners, but not those who rent there. that's the first thing i would fix. so HOAs become neighborhood councils. and beyond that it is just a matter of levels. so if you mean that replacing local HOAs with a community council covering a larger area is a bad idea, then i agree with you. i mean to replace it with a different democratic structure at the same level, with largely the same responsibilities but with more clear restrictions to protect individual rights and freedoms.

one of the problems i see in the US is that while the system is doing relatively well at the federalist approach, not enough is done to protect the weaker individuals from those with power over them. especially at the local level

interestingly, i just came across this democracy index:

https://www.democracymatrix.com/online-analysis/matrix#/char...

and it shows that "guarantee of rights" is the weakest, which fits my feelings