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by BillTthree 743 days ago
Are we following the rule of law here? We are talking about arresting bad actors, built on the fundamental principal of due process. There are rules to follow. If the department of justice wants to bring criminal charges against individuals or corporations, should the first step be 'sieze all assets'? When is the doj allowed to sieze assets, if we think its a scumbag foreigner but what if its an upstanding american tax paying LLC? Should your business be subject to immediate takedowns while the doj investigates and attempts to prosecute you?

Has anyone been convicted of anything? We are siezing control of personally owned assets under the presumption the responsible parties will be found guilty. That seems like a slippery slope.
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randomlurking 743 days ago
Why are you assuming that rules weren’t followed? Is there any reason to suspect this? I’m not the greatest fan of the police by far, but it’s not like this (seizing assets without prior conviction) is a novel or anything but standard procedure happening in the frame of clearly defined rules. Should a murderer run free up to his conviction, even when there’s strong evidence of his crimes? Shouldn’t the police seize assets of drug cartels at the moment they can instead of years later when everybody is convicted?
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pluto_modadic 742 days ago
Monitor the transactions, collect evidence, get warrants, seize things, collect evidence, get arrest warrants, etc.

if someone is dumb enough to register with a real name, the amount of time needed to coordinate it can be reduced.

like with the 911S5 botnet, they got evidence over the years to build a case to arrest them.

if it's a large group of people, it may take time or a turncoat to slowly gain evidence on the other parties.

seizure of assets in those countries required the police and courts in those countries to have probable cause that yeah it was definitely related to the crime and necessitated seizure in a coordinated fashion. This is similar to the coordinated quiet takeover of a darkweb market, or the coordinated spooky takedown of another, to scare criminals onto the bugged one.

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