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by red_admiral 750 days ago
Arguably, unless traffic is free-flowing at maximum speed, doing the zipper merge is in fact the non-jerk option.
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ugh tell that to the idiots who give me the finger for zipper merging in Columbus, OH
Probably should prioritize telling them that red lights mean stop and that the arrow on the one-way sign points in the only direction you're allowed to go. Maybe mention turn signals too.

Allegedly there are three cities with worse drivers, but I find that highly implausible

What's the legal situation? Where I live in the EU merging lanes demands a zipper merge according to law.
Varies from state to state since traffic laws are per-state in the US, but in most states the traffic merging is supposed to yield to the traffic staying in their lane.

You also are supposed to maintain a "safe distance" (where the law might be literally "safe distance" or might give a specific units) which at freeway speeds would mean leaving enough room for zippers but I don't know anyone who has ever been cited for following too closely, except after an accident caused by following too closely.

There are signs posted explaining that zipper is the correct way to go, but I still get run off the road for doing it when merging onto the outer belt in this city
Well if you're forcing them to break when you merge then that kind of requires a finger imo.

Regardless Columbus has a great lack of turn signals and understanding of basic intersection rules.

You're not forced to brake if you can see that 2 lanes go down to 1 and you therefore anticipate that the cars in the other lane are going to have to merge into your lane and you leave a gap to allow them to do so.
If there is an appropriate gap it is fine. However in my experience many people in the zipper lane merge without regard to what the traffic in the lane they're merging into is doing. Thus forcing people to slam on breaks and slows down the overall flow of traffic.
If you don't leave a gap then you're forcing the people in the other lane to slow down and disrupt the flow of traffic.

It is a mistake to think that one of the two input lanes is more entitled to the output lane than the other. 2 lanes go down to 1, neither is more privileged than the other, cars should merge in turn.

If there isn't a gap then don't force a merge. Otherwise you're the one driving unsafely and causing further traffic congestion.

Your comment makes less sense when the merging lane has no one else it as well. That means the car in it that is merging over has plenty of opportunities to merge safely without causing traffic congestion however they don't.

If there’s not an appropriate gap then you are also at fault. You should always have an appropriate gap between you and the car in front of you.
> if you're forcing them to break when you merge then that kind of requires a finger

i do my best to avoid forcing anyone to brake, ever

usually the people flipping me off are speeding ahead of me from the other lane as soon as they see my signal go on

Oh, so you end up with space to merge easily then if they're speeding up.
it really depends on where they are in relation to me and if people are following them closely

when they see my signal they are behind me so making it much more difficult to merge cleanly - i can either hop over as soon as i signal (not safe) or brake so i can merge behind them, where if they hadn't sped up i'd just move over naturally in the flow of traffic

it really feels to me like your comments are meant to needle my complaint re: folks not understanding the zipper merge, am i misreading you? do you think the zipper merge should not be used?

"brake so i can merge behind them"

This is how you're supposed to merge. When you get on the freeway you don't expect the current flow of traffic to accommodate for you, instead you accommodate for them.

"it really feels to me like your comments are meant to needle my complaint re: folks not understanding the zipper merge, am i misreading you? do you think the zipper merge should not be used?"

I am not sure you're understanding how it's supposed to work... People in the flowing lane aren't meant to stop or slow down to let you over.

The zipper action is meant when it's backed up. The zipper lane isn't designed for you to disrupt the current flow of traffic.

Edit: here's a video, maybe it will help you understand better

https://youtu.be/I2Rd8z_VHpE?si=C4nmWqQpL7aaydQI