[hansonkd]

> It ensures that the endpoints are maintainable and future-proof when people are working on different features

How does GQL prohibit this? It encourages it by focusing on 1 stable API for everyone instead of a custom API endpoint for each case.

[randomdata]

It doesn't. That's literally what GraphQL was designed for: To provide a resolver that sits between high latency clients and all of the various REST/RPC services in order to roll up all of the requests at datacenter speeds into one in order to overcome the latency issues.

But you still need all of the various single page REST/RPC endpoints to make use of GraphQL as it is intended. Some developers out there skip the REST/RPC part, making GraphQL their entire service, violating its principles.

If it works it works, but it does not come tradeoff free.

[hansonkd]

? why do you need a REST endpoint with GraphQL? Nearly every language has a GraphQL engine that integrated directly with the database and exposed functions as GQL directly without REST at all.

[randomdata]

You don't, obviously – we already talked about how many don't. But if you don't have a graph of "microservices" in which to query, what do you need GraphQL for? Especially if all you are doing is returning the results from a database. The database will already have its own API. Why not just use it? The native API is always going be better than your attempt to translate.

[hansonkd]

Because exposing your Database to the outside world is asinine. GQL sits between letting the frontend query semi-customizable queries and not having any customizability to select related resources.

[randomdata]

Nobody said you should expose your database to the outside world. Do you not understand the difference between APIs and services?

[hansonkd]

You said

> The database will already have its own API

Where is this API coming from? You have to build it. I'm saying you should make those APIs graphql apis though a language framework and not REST apis because GQL consuming GQL is much better than GQL consuming REST.

[int_19h]

I'm curious as to why you believe that exposing direct SQL over the database is "asinine" but GQL is fine, given that either one is very generic, and e.g. the security issues are very similar (as the article points out).

[realusername]

I don't think it would hold true for very long, devs will have specific cases which will pile into the definitions.

That's why GraphQL examples usually focus on querying data from users and not how you are going to manage 10 different views of the same data.

[hansonkd]

> pile into the definitions

That is how REST works but is the opposite of the way GQL works.

You don't pile into existing defintions but extend the current definitions out. A team needing new data doesn't affect the consumption of other teams. which is not the case of REST where if one team needs to change a REST endpoint to return different shape of data, they have to verify the new shape with other teams.

[realusername]

With REST, the endpoints are team based if you have even a semi-competent CTO so you never have this problem, you just check who owns the controller and that's it.

With GQL though, good luck retracing who owns what field and what does it affect if you change the definition of what it returns, especially that you you are not even using it on the same language.

Bonus points here if you are managing something outside of your control like a mobile app.

[hansonkd]

GQL you would only care about if someone removed a field not if someone added a field. How would adding a field change existing GQL calls return? Doesn't make sense.

Also, Its about 1 line to set up CI to extract all GQL queries from a typescript project and do static analysis to check against the schema.

But again you only care if someone deletes a field, and even if you have to delete it, at least the GQL schema has built in annotations for deprecation, something not in REST.

[realusername]

Deleting things happens all the time though.

Yeah sure you can make it work with anything if you spend the extra effort but the ownership really isn't as defined as in REST.

Is there code which have fuzzy or no ownership? Are there changes which affect other teams? Suddenly those became much harder questions to answer.

[hansonkd]

Actually deleting happens rather rarely compared to adding.

Its much easier to trace and debug what teams are using GQL fields than REST. What if one team is piggy backing on another teams exising rest endpoint and you dont know? same problem that would require some analysis of all code calling and endpoint to determine if a field is safe to delete. GQL makes this much simpler than REST.