[burutthrow1234]

Clearing the people out of Ottawa took far too long. The local police were cozy with the truckers and the entire downtown of a metro area with a million people was shut down for a month.

People complain about left-leaning protests taking over a public park - these guys took over multiple public spaces in multiple parts of the city. About a square mile in the middle of the city.

[bluefirebrand]

It wasn't that long ago that protests shut down Canada's entire rail system, for almost twice as long as the Trucker protest lasted. It paralyzed a lot of movement of products across our country and caused shortages in a lot of places. It was much more of an actual problem nation-wide than truckers disrupting the downtown of a single city

The rail protests had international implications too

So if that wasn't enough to invoke the emergency act then it's hard for me to imagine why the Truckers were

[naasking]

> So if that wasn't enough to invoke the emergency act then it's hard for me to imagine why the Truckers were

Possibly because the truckers blocked a bridge to the US, and the US didn't like that.

[bluefirebrand]

Sure, clear them off the bridge, arrest any that refuse to move, etc

But the emergencies act? Freezing bank accounts?

They didn't blow up the bridge did they?

[adamomada]

- the emergency act was used after the bridges were cleared

- the private banks decided to close the accounts, ostensibly acting by themselves (but probably not) and not by government order

Stuff even two years ago is lost to history

[poochipie]

But none of that was a reason to invoke the Emergencies Act, per the courts.

[graeme]

The emergencies act is extremely restrictive. The criteria:

>There must be an urgent, critical and temporary situation that “seriously endangers” the lives, health and safety of Canadians, and it must be so significant as to exceed the capacity or authority of the provinces to address it.

A foreign funded group with heavy vehicles invaded and took over downtown Ottawa and international border crossings. The province wasn't interested in dispersing them.

The Emergencies Act definition wouldn't allow you to halt a coup attempt if Ontario could handle it but chose not to. At a certain point you have to analyze things and say that if the law has a massive loophole then the law was poorly drafted.

[adamomada]

The emergency act was used after the bridges were clear, to stop a peaceful protest in the nations capital that pissed off the minority government. You can go on YouTube and see endless live video streams of it. At no time were any lives in danger.

“You can’t protest, there’s a government here!” - Ottawa residents

[jmb99]

I would argue that >90dB measured inside apartments for weeks on end 24/7 isn’t peaceful.

[tharmas]

But that's what makes a protest effective: it's inconvenient! Otherwise, the protest has no power to change anything. As long as its not violent or blowing things up I think "the establishment" should at least concede that.

Case in point: look what happened in Israel when the Abraham Accords were signed, Hamas decided to go for the "nuclear" option.

[tensor]

Harassing people, preventing people sleeping for weeks, this is not "inconvenience" it's violence and intimidation against fellow citizens. I have zero sympathy or tolerance for violent occupations that force people out of their home, nor their supporters who try to pretend these things didn't happen.

[adamomada]

Your bar for violence is so low you might accuse me of it for laughing in your face

It is 100% inconvenience, and if there’s one thing that can not be tolerated in these times, is any sort of inconvenience.

[marcosdumay]

Funny. If the police did wake people out several times every night, it would be clearly considered not only violent, but outright torture.

[Marsymars]

> But that's what makes a protest effective: it's inconvenient! Otherwise, the protest has no power to change anything.

Well that's kind of the point - protesters don't have the power to change anything based on physical inconvenience. The inconvenience is merely a PR effort because protesters don't have any more effective form of of PR - if people are famous/wealthy/powerful/etc. they have better forms of PR available.

The problem with some styles of protest is that they're asymmetrical in terms of damage. A relatively small number of people who get worked up enough can congregate in one location and indefinitely shut down the operations of a person/group/organization/government. At some point the legitimate governing body needs to enforce the functioning of society, or they'll lose the mandate to govern.

[tharmas]

Union Picket lines?

[whatwhaaaaat]

Yes people complain about “left leaning protests”. People complain about all sorts of protests. I can’t recall a single protest that wasn’t complained about.

Exactly when did the left leaning protestors have their bank accounts frozen? Exactly when did the left leaning protests get broken up.

All I remember is canadas stupid government supporting the left leaning protests.

In the states I remember fancy Nancy wearing an African shawl kneeling in the capital.

This sort of stuff is too obvious not to see. Good luck.

[nuclearwast]

Spring 2012. Montréal.

It was left leaning and Police were quite happy to handle it with all they got. Many hundreds or thounsands of protester everyday (or nights) for over 100 days. 17 years-old students being hit with Baton, pepper spray, , tears gas, rubber bullets, flashbang etc. It was so chaotic that vladimir fucking putin even call canada to sort its shit (!!!). Since then police really has dialed it back in the protest.

[whatwhaaaaat]

I don’t recall what the 2012 Canada protests were. Guessing OWS? OWS and the vaccine passport protestors have one thing in common - they challenge the ruling class.

I wonder why the ruling class hasn’t opposed social mousetrap identity politics protests.

[nuclearwast]

Maybe it was mostly a Québec thing. In 2012, premier of quebec, jean charest (know him? He lost the conservative parti race to polievre) anounced he would increase university tuition fee many times over, to reach canada's average. Scolarship would be changed to loan. Students were not happy with this and went on strike.It was pretty eventful. After a few month it did start to look like OWS. It ended in fall, costing charest his re election.

It really was eye opening in many ways. The media sucking up to the gouverment, the gourverment not giving shit about what end up being a large chuck of the population, forgetting they were in a democracy. Trucker were err. Well see for yourself.

[tracker1]

Almost like some kind of Autonomous Zone or some such..

[mardifoufs]

What does it have to do with the people of Ottawa? Since when do residents get to decide on the rights of the others? Was it because they were federal employees for the most part? I'm glad you think that protests need to be shut down when they bother people. You sound exactly like a daily wire talking point from 2020 lol