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by alephnerd 755 days ago
> Toyota should've been all over this back in 2015.

METI (the Japanese Ministry that develops Japan's R&D strategy) is hesitant about using lithium ion battery technology due to lithium dependency issues and memories about the impact the 1970s oil shock had on Japan [0][1], along with IP issues.

This is why Japan has been pushing it's domestic champions to research Hydrogen Fuel Cells [2] and solid state batteries [3]

This is also the strategy that Toyota adopted [4][5].

[0] - https://www.sojitz.com/history/en/era/05/

[1] - https://www.ide.go.jp/library/English/Publish/Periodicals/De...

[2] - https://www.meti.go.jp/shingikai/enecho/shoene_shinene/suiso...

[3] - https://www.meti.go.jp/english/report/pdf/0520_001a.pdf

[4] - https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/corporate/39330548.html

[5] - https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/corporate/39330500.html

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Ironically this keeps them dependent on oil.

And natural gas; it's clear from https://www.meti.go.jp/shingikai/enecho/shoene_shinene/suiso... that the plan is to get hydrogen from natural gas, with electrolysis as a thin renewable figleaf over the issue of CO2 emissions.

(don't trust any source that describes hydrogen as an "energy source". There is no naturally occurring hydrogen reserve. It is not a source.)

They might be in a better place if TEPCO hadn't messed up their nuclear plant designs in a tsunami zone.

Lithium can be pulled from seawater. Japan might have to pay more for their lithium, but they can never be cut off from it.
Seawater based lithium extraction is very cost inefficient as it's basically just electrolysis.

This means the only options long term are Hydrogen and Sodium Solid State.

I'd recommend reading the Japanese government docs and presentations I linked above as they explain why Japan and it's companies are doing what they are doing.

$5/kg, 10-50 kg per vehicle. Not an obstacle.

https://cen.acs.org/materials/inorganic-chemistry/Can-seawat...