[bradleyjg]

the mandatory presence in a vehicle along with everybody else at the same time, unpaid and very often for hours everyday feels incredibly invasive, wasteful and unjust.

At least in the U.S. almost all of us in this industry are on salary. In that case I don’t think it makes sense to think of a mandatory commute as unpaid. It’s part of the deal and should be factored in accordingly.

[stevenAthompson]

I personally factor it in as a large reduction in total compensation, because it's a huge mandatory cost.

Non-remote jobs just aren't competitive unless they offer truly extraordinary pay.

[bradleyjg]

Then things will work themselves out without the need for endless jawboning.

[willcipriano]

I haven't seen the in office jobs offer any premium over remote.

So if it's part of the deal those are all worse deals.

[bradleyjg]

I can’t respond directly—-but at one time many of those things were deductible. Tax cheats are why we can’t have nice things.

[gedy]

That's true, but I've then also subtracted commute times from office hours when I was required to come in. I can't do 8 hours in office plus 1.5 commute time on those days.

[barfbagginus]

Subtract 3x commute. Drive 1.5 hours for no reason? Watch YouTube for 4.5 hours, also for no reason.

[willcipriano]

I'd make it a solid 4.5 hours of bullshitting with people and using the amenities.

Get my gym time in, go for a walk around the building to be seen. Learn the names of the cleaning staff, ask people if they are "makin' copies", if they are let them know it is "very nice". Can't believe the sportsgame.

Soon enough you'll be promoted and you can use that promotion to go to a competitor and negotiate your previous role, but instead remote.