[Tarean]

Orm's do a lot for you if you require related data from multiple tables:

- Eager loading the data efficiently is annoying, most ORM's can do batched select-in loading now

- Detecting changes with the DB is annoying if you update more than a single row, requires change tracking or a diff

- Saving changes is a topo sort so you don't delete while foreign keys exists. Also, gotta wait for a foreign key to exist when a new row is inserted

But just let me tell the ORM a spanning tree of the schema and load that! Why do all ORM's default to cyclic object graphs and lazy loading.