[fastball]

I think the "coup" framing is supported at least by Helen Toner's claims in this article.

> "We were very careful, very deliberate about who we told, which was essentially almost no one in advance, other than obviously our legal team and so that's kind of what took us to to November 17."

If that doesn't sound like a secret coup, I don't know what does. Like, yes, it is their job to hire and fire the CEO so it's not really a coup, but when you do your "job" in secret instead of in the open that's the vibe you give off.

[fnordpiglet]

When a board is about to fire a CEO do you think they typically discuss it publicly first? It’s usually treated as highly sensitive information at every company. Likewise if any company is about to fire anyone they also don’t typically advertise this to anyone other than HR, legal, and maybe the manager. For the CEO the manager -is- the board.

I’d be curious if you believe differently how you feel boards usually advertise such an action?

[fastball]

Who said publicly? There is a lot of room between "discuss publicly" and "We were very careful, very deliberate about who we told, which was essentially almost no one in advance".

For example, a lot of the pressure that caused them to reverse course came from Microsoft. Maybe if the board had discussed such a big decision without OpenAI's biggest investor, Microsoft would've been on board with the firing.

[insane_dreamer]

Who would they be telling? Board members don’t and shouldn’t discuss matters with employees. Please show me the case where employees were told in advance that the board was going to fire the CEO.

[fastball]

I literally said in my last comment who they could've told that would've made the whole thing probably go over better.

[insane_dreamer]

I don't think you understand how boards operate, especially in this case. It was the board of the OpenAI __non-profit__, of which Microsoft was _not_ an investor. In this case, their fiduciary duty was not to their shareholders, but rather to the company charter.

[fastball]

It's mostly dysfunctional boards that aren't doing their job I don't understand. You can talk about fiduciary duty all you want, but when you're the board of a "non-profit" that has a wholly-owned for-profit subsidiary and you don't seem to know what the hell that subsidiary is doing on a number of dimensions, you're either A. there for appearances only or B. terrible at your job.

Like, is your argument really "you don't know how boards work" when this is a fantastic example of a board completely failing at the basics of the job?

[JohnFen]

A "coup" is a usurpation of the existing power structure. This was the power structure exercising its legitimate power. It's not even remotely similar to a coup. That the board held its hand close to its chest doesn't enter into it and wasn't improper in any case.

[lamename]

Employees are quite often given no notice of firing or layoff, despite it being discussed by managers or executives ahead of time without the employee present.

Is a Board firing the CEO typically conducted differently?

[dragonwriter]

So, they observed the ususl confidentiality of personnel matters and didn't discuss them with people off the board or conflicted out of the decision? Any thing else would have been grossly unprofessional and irresponsible.