[scott_s]

And I agree, as long as we also agree that:

  hackers ∩ developers ≠ ∅

(The set of all hackers are not a strict subset of the set of all developers, but it's also true that some hackers - yes, in the breaking-in-to-something sense - are developers.)

[warmwaffles]

tis a sad day when I understand these symbols and chuckle :(