[shuckles]

> The only reasons that is seems like all homeless are addicts are...

The Point in Time count data indicate the vast majority of homeless people have issues with drug abuse. A substantial majority of those also have dual diagnoses.

Maybe you are trying to argue that drug abuse is not sufficient, or something, but you have not brought that nuance. The OP is more correct than you: drug abuse has a large role to play in the street homelessness of San Francisco.

(An alternative view: if rents were the primary causal factor, then why is the problem substantially worse than a decade ago when San Francisco rents peaked? Why did the problem get so much worse during COVID when nonpayment evictions were held for many years and low income renters got billions in cash transfers, increasing their aggregate income while rents dropped?)

[DoreenMichele]

Maybe you are trying to argue that drug abuse is not sufficient, or something, but you have not brought that nuance.

Millionaire rock stars go in and out of rehab repeatedly and don't end up homeless. There is no direct cause-and-effect relationship between drug abuse and homelessness. We only make that connection after the fact. I know of zero credible sources predicting homelessness based on "He's an addict! So it's inevitable!"

There are lots of problems with the stats we keep on homeless people and such people are by their very nature tough to track. There are political agendas driving how the questions get asked and the data gets framed, all of which contradicts my firsthand experience with homelessness and what I have heard for years from actual homeless people.

In a nutshell:

California has about 12 percent of the US population, 25 percent of the US homeless population and more than 50 percent of the nation's unsheltered homeless. I do not find it credible to claim these people are all "locals" and I firmly believe California is the dumping ground for the nation's homeless problem.

[brynb]

grapevine knowledge, but i have been told (and credibly, i think, given how adaptive humans are, and how they adapt for very specific parameters while devaluing others) that many homeless will go to great lengths to seek out new locales that seem willing to help sustain their needs without requiring wholesale change of their lifestyles. some people do indeed prefer it (or at least fear the alternative, i.e. “proper” integration into society and all that comes with that), as much as some people on this website cannot fathom that

[throwaway2037]

I've seen you post here many times on this topic. I always enjoy your posts and learn something new. Thank you to share.

Your last "nutshell" paragraph: I have read similar from other sources. Deeper question: Why? My thoughts: The weather in California makes it possible to be homeless, full time (12 months a year), without shelter -- not great, but not death by freezing. What do you think? I wonder if Hawai'i and Florida also have very high proportion of homeless people for similar reasons.

[DoreenMichele]

Weather is absolutely a factor. It's temperate and dry in some parts of California, making it much easier to just camp in a tent than places with freezing temperatures, lots of rain and snow.

[smugma]

Is this because of our high cost of housing, increased social support infrastructure for the homeless, or the temperate climate?

Yes.