[lelanthran]

> That's not an excuse. Men can and should be capable of "oh shit, we should fix this bad experience women have!"

Why?

I never see any of the womens books, magazines and websites my wife visit ever go "Oh shit, we should fix this bad experience for men first" before discussing anything.

Demographics discuss what they find relevant, usually. Why is this a problem for you?

[yareal]

You aren't paying attention to women's media if you think that's the case. Plenty of women's media discusses the difficulties in men's lives. And when they do, for instance talking about testicular cancer, they tend to stay away from, "ok but breast cancer is worse actually. "

We should all be comfortable lifting each other up, rather than focusing only on our own demographics. Otherwise those without power will suffer needlessly.

[lelanthran]

> You aren't paying attention to women's media if you think that's the case.

I am paying attention, and I just asked my wife, and she says she can't remember ever seeing that happen in any group of women, online or not.

You'll forgive me if I take the account of actual women I know over the account you are selling.

[yareal]

Spend ten minutes googling, it's really not hard to find articles that talk about men and unique needs of men in traditionally women's spaces, and they stayed focused on men.

It's trivial to demonstrate that these exist. Maybe your wife just doesn't read Vogue, glamour, Elle, etc. but for those of us who do, this sort of thing is a mainstay.

https://www.voguebusiness.com/beauty/everyone-wants-in-on-me...

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/men-talk-about-your-mental-h...

https://www.elle.com/beauty/a26342438/ryan-reynolds-armani-c...

https://www.glamour.com/story/mens-sperm-and-lifestyle-choic...